isreal murdered a 16 year old, surprised you had time to come on here taking a break from pleasuring yoursel?
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PressTV's cheque bounced? There goes that operation you promised yourself.
appreciate the post buddy.
@lefty_jakobz & @Fearless - I would be interested in your views on how to restart the peace process ? What are some of the tangible steps that need to be taken to realistically bring both sides to the negotiating table ?
Medical Aid for Palestinians if you're based in the UK.
Point by point - where and how do you refute the following -
1) Israel's apartheid against Palestinians - Amnesty International
2) Apartheid | B'Tselem (btselem.org)
3) A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution | HRW
These are 3 of the largest / well known human rights organisations - where do you disagree with their findings, point by point?
4) Israeli apartheid factsheet | War on Want
5) Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert | | UN News
6) Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid – UN human rights expert | OHCHR
Here's an additional resources. To be honest, there's loads more.
Hasbara troll trying to be ironic?
I mean, this is just not true. @neverdie has already shown you statistical proof that young Democrats are changing their perceptions of Israel, and generally the perception of the country is trending downwards across the country when we look at the views of young Americans:
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/11/americans-are-increasingly-critical-of-israel/
Just as @Carolina Red said re apartheid South Africa, the movement re Israel and holding it to account is not going to be a flash in a pan, but something that will most likely take decades to accomplish, but the signs are already there that it will need to be at the very least, considered seriously, and not just dismissed out of hand like you are doing in this thread.
Thanks very much both - appreciated
Exactly! And the worst possible thing we can do to bring about an end to what Israel is doing is to just stop bringing the obvious injustices into the public consciousness right as younger generations of westerners are learning about the conflict. To draw on another historical parallel… As bad as things are with race relations in the US South, I don’t want to think about bad they could be if folks just threw their hands up about desegregation and said “well, folks don’t support this now, so what’s the point?”
That's not in any way a refutation. Just left-wing opinions based on bending the term apartheid to suit their absurd narrative.
While in reality, Pakistan is far far nearer to SA's apartheid because if it's systemic legal abuse and persecution of Ahmadis etc.
No such racist legislation exists in Israel.
Yes, the absurd narrative of [checks notes] Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the United Nations, and Israel’s own B’Tselem.
Your posts are the absurd narrative.
Still not persuaded. I'll give you a chance to disprove the following instead of hiding behind mutations of what happened in SA.
Which one of the below points is factually inaccurate???
Embarrassing.Your gaslighting is is obvious you could make a fortune undercutting E-on.
Doesn't the graphic only apply to Israeli citizens, not Palestinians in the WB and Gaza ?
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Who or what am I gaslighting?
Ironic given his love for the child murders…
You forgot to mention Epstein and Weinstein.
Can you guys please knock it off so we can keep this thread on track
Exactly. And that's only the starting point as to why it's incomparable to South Africa vis a vis it's black citizens, whereas the Palestinians (who are not Israeli citizens) are self-governed by Hamas/PA.
I'm not suggesting that the IDF presence is a bed of roses, but the situations are so wildly different that the apartheid analogy is born of spite, not fact.
I have zero interest in attempting to persuade you because I have zero belief that you are responding in good faith.
Maybe that's the issue then, given that proponents of the term view it as applying to all Palestinians - such as the harsh restrictions in place in Gaza and ever expanding settlements in the WB.
Probably. I mean, which Palestine supporter in their right mind wants to hear about Israeli Arabs (the ones that magically avoided ethnic cleansing) having a better, freer life than anywhere else in the ME?
Absolute narcissism. You can't be bothered in case your left-wing narrative gets easily corroded by facts, not acoustic guitar strummed opinions.
How do you propose the non-Israeli arabs, as in the Palestinians in Gaza and the WB factor into this equation given that their lives are severely restricted by Israeli policy ?
It's not the an carbon copy of the apartheid, which is just an easy word to use.
But it's a different kind of terrible.
There is also the important legal point as to whether someone is using Apartheid in the historical sense of South Africa, and the crime of apartheid in international law. The two are not coterminous.
Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court defines crimes against humanity as:
Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court defines crimes against humanity as:
Later in Article 7, the crime of apartheid is defined as:
It's not remotely like apartheid. I don't remember black South Africa trying to invade anywhere.
They attacked places and caused disturbances outside their designated Bantustans. They needed permits to travel or work outside their designated Bantustans. Their schooling could only be done in schools inside their Bantustans. They were arbitrarily denied exit visas to travel outside of SA.
I’m treating you the same way as you treat this topic.
I know.
I imagine the citation of international law here in this thread will be treated the same way it was the last time that was cited.
Yup. But I suspect Captain America here knows that all too well and is just being deliberately facetious
I could be wrong but this guy seems like an outlier.
From a quick Google he was a student debater and had just graduated from the University of Witwatersrand at the time the video was made. He had toured the US with a colleague in 2016 speaking against BDS and the apartheid comparison or accusation:
https://jweekly.com/2016/04/08/visiting-south-africans-reject-apartheid-label-on-israel/
@Frosty - see what I mean