Well humans managed without electricity for 1000's of years so whilst preferable it isn't technically essential, without water you die
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Saw this coming.
100 newborns, 1,100 dialysis patients face looming power outages in Gaza: Doctor
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Hassan Khalaf, the medical director of Al Wafa Hospital in Gaza City, said hospitals in the besieged enclave are relying on generators, which are not equipped to power many medical devices.
He predicted the generators have only “maximum a few days”, which may be as short as a day or two, amid dwindling fuel supplies as a result of the “complete siege” announced by Israeli Defense Minister Gallant.
Khalaf said there are currently 100 newborn babies relying on medical equipment currently in Gaza.
“These newborns they could not survive…because they depend in every aspect of life on electricity and equipment,” he said. “They are very tiny. They are very weak”.
The doctor also said there were about 1,100 patients who rely on dialysis machines for survival in Gaza, saying the Israeli siege amounts to “mass killing”.
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Hassan Khalaf, the medical director of Al Wafa Hospital in Gaza City, said hospitals in the besieged enclave are relying on generators, which are not equipped to power many medical devices.
He predicted the generators have only “maximum a few days”, which may be as short as a day or two, amid dwindling fuel supplies as a result of the “complete siege” announced by Israeli Defense Minister Gallant.
Khalaf said there are currently 100 newborn babies relying on medical equipment currently in Gaza.
“These newborns they could not survive…because they depend in every aspect of life on electricity and equipment,” he said. “They are very tiny. They are very weak”.
The doctor also said there were about 1,100 patients who rely on dialysis machines for survival in Gaza, saying the Israeli siege amounts to “mass killing”.
The smell of death is all around now in Gaza – doctor
Joel Gunter
Reporting from Jerusalem
Mahmoud Matar, the head of limb reconstruction surgery at a hospital in Gaza, is sending WhatsApp messages to the BBC, describing his situation as Israeli air bombardments continue.
“We are completely overwhelmed with the number of injuries and the number of dead,” he said.
“The dead bodies arrive in pieces. I am a surgeon and yet I cannot stomach the scene of death.”
“Families here have seen their homes demolished over their heads, killing all but maybe one or two people, who come to the hospital with terrible injuries.
“We all feel disabled - we cannot help people."
He says at the moment he wishes he was not a doctor. "I cannot save my own family, my children are at home crying while I am on duty.”
Mahmoud says the hospital’s operating theatre is running non-stop and the hospital beds are full.
By his count, more than 10 ambulance staff have been killed or injured and he personally knows a gynaecologist and urologist who have died.
“The smell of death is all around now in Gaza. There is no water, there will be no electricity, and we have very bad network connection. I am currently looking for water to drink.”
Joel Gunter
Reporting from Jerusalem
Mahmoud Matar, the head of limb reconstruction surgery at a hospital in Gaza, is sending WhatsApp messages to the BBC, describing his situation as Israeli air bombardments continue.
“We are completely overwhelmed with the number of injuries and the number of dead,” he said.
“The dead bodies arrive in pieces. I am a surgeon and yet I cannot stomach the scene of death.”
“Families here have seen their homes demolished over their heads, killing all but maybe one or two people, who come to the hospital with terrible injuries.
“We all feel disabled - we cannot help people."
He says at the moment he wishes he was not a doctor. "I cannot save my own family, my children are at home crying while I am on duty.”
Mahmoud says the hospital’s operating theatre is running non-stop and the hospital beds are full.
By his count, more than 10 ambulance staff have been killed or injured and he personally knows a gynaecologist and urologist who have died.
“The smell of death is all around now in Gaza. There is no water, there will be no electricity, and we have very bad network connection. I am currently looking for water to drink.”
This isn't a biology quizz. Gaza relies on plants to get fresh water, I don't care about biology 101 but the reality of life in Gaza.
I just hope Israel threatens a humanitarian catastrophe only to put pressure on Hamas to release the hostages, maybe even force the Palestinians themselves to turn on Hamas. I don't believe that even Netanyahu is ready to go through with a genocide. He would lose all international support and we'd probably see a Dresden like bombing already if it was the case.
I completely agree JP, I was saying how Israel and it's allies will frame it.
Sadly it seems pretty clear Israel's plan is to go into Gaza which only has one outcome and that is mass casualties for everyone coupled with them levelling everything they can't capture.
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My bad, I didn't get your initial point.
There's a crazy amount of misinformation in this thing.
Well what's clear is Hamas can't exist anymore after what they've done. If they use human shields, what can you do? I don't see a solution and I'm glad I don't need to make that decision.
It's crazy. We see every sorts of claims that are quickly modified or denied.
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This is true. Can't see them going back to the old stalemate after this. Hamas will likely be gone after the ground invasion.
Initial intel suggests Iran was surprised.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/11/politics/us-intelligence-iran-hamas-doubt/index.html
Yes, but the gathering of information process is still ongoing.
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Everyone looks the other way
This entire thread really. People just spamming anything they can find on Twitter to support their "side". Impossible to sift through any of it.
What is the saying, "the first casualty of war is truth"?
Guess it's okay to kill those people. They're just "Collateral Damage" or "Bait" or "A shield" for hamas to hide behind.
And we can't forget that Hisbollah, which is far stronger than Hamas, is watching. Meaning a stalemate would only encourage them to similar barbarism in the future. If Hamas ceases to exist after this, they will think twice to follow in their footsteps.
King of Jordan, as reported by CNN, promotes the two-state solution.
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@Ragnar123 was given justification for the blockage of Gaza and apartheid in West Bank by referencing the wars Israel has fought and their security. I gave an example of a country that started two world wars and were a free country 10 years afterwards.
You can argue about East Germany, but that was because it the Soviet Union, who pretty much everyone agrees were not correct in what they were doing there. Also, East Germans had much much more freedom than any Palestinians today.
Now tell me, did Germans suffer the same fate as the Palestinians have for the last 50 years? Do all wars result in an apartheid? Do you get why I made the comparison and any justification for what Israel have done as being a consequence of war is stupid?
Ok leaving aside my comparison, my point is not every Palestinian is a member of Hamas. Israel’s response is going to create them further long term problems. Whilst I understand their emotional reaction, it’s not going to solve any problem for them, it’s going to exacerbate the problems
It’s like 9/11 again. “Warned in advance”
You do realize that one could say the exact same thing about Israel, right? The Israeli coalition overplayed its hand, and as the elected government of Israel is ultimately responsible for what its actions bring upon their people. It's not nice, it's not fair and it's not moral - it's just reality.
Yes we should all read this, published in 2011, to find out how to make it happen:
(sorry for the snark I just can never take this man seriously)
Don't know if they were surprised but they definitely weren't leading the attack. Then again, many senior Hamas members weren't told so anything is possible.
People keep saying that, but I don't think it's necessarily true, since they seem to be holding all the cards in this situation.
Let's start there. Ukraine is going to have to be rebuilt at significant cost after the war ends (hopefully in their favor), we don't say "feck it, bend over for Russia"
I suppose the German comparison here would be East Prussia and Silesia - ethnic cleansing with gang rapes thrown in for good measure. Although, in contrast to the experience of the Palestinians, Germany started that conflict and the survivors got good homes to go to in what became West Germany.
I was talking about those just on the members lists of those pro-Palestine college groups, not her. It's different if she's student president posting confrontationally, rather than just a name on a list the uni would be ethically dubious in sharing.