Hi Raoul, I'm wondering as I read this post. When you hear "Israel's occupation", what are the 3 worst of worst aspects of it for Palestinian civilians, in your view?
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Same question will happen with some people in 20-30 years about Hamas attack and Israel retaliation. Who remember the deaths from Yom Kippur? I dont. Who did know about Yom Kippur before this...it floated my head but didn't know the exact date and what exactly happened and I consider myself slightly more interested in politics that the people I usually interact with.
Probably I would remember If I would be alive when happened but not. I surely remember this event. But new generations? History, reality is what matters
I have to admit, I forgot the Madrid train station bombing.
Are you referring to the 2004 Madrid train bombings? Because I don't think they are officially seen as the ones responsible, even though they were accused at first.
I thought it was al Qaeda though.
Lack of employment (near 50% unemployment rate), mobility (very difficult to travel), and incoherent governance.
If I remember correctly a bomb on a morning train in Madrid
As far as I know it was Al Qaeda behind the Madrid bombings in 2004?
ETA was suspected though.
I condone nothing, as I don't know the actual reality. I've posted multiple times that early indication is that their targeting and ROE are more aggressive, leading to a poor CCR. Also that I would have done things differently. I understand the aims of their war, realise it's the only option, and hope they prosecute it with less brutality. That's all I said.
It's not even a point. They didn't know the culprits. (and it wasn't the basques anyway) There isn't an active military force in the Basque region propped up by Iran, controlling the region, and firing rockets at Madrid. It's completely irrelevant.
Indeed. This action from Israel just looks like mindless, brutal revenge, rather than any kind of strategy. Yes, everyone in Hamas involved in planning and perpetrating the attacks three weeks ago will likely be dead within the next few days/weeks, but so will an absolutely enormous and completely horrifying number of civilians, including many children, none of whom had anything to do with the Hamas attack. The Hamas ideology will not die with its fighters and Israel will have succeeded in creating the conditions for many thousands of new recruits to the Hamas cause and the cycle of violence will continue on. The whole thing is just so utterly pointless and depressing.
Israel is quite clearly not "defending itself." Israel is simply killing civilians as retaliation.
I don't know who it was but it's the 200 deaths bombing and I totally forgot about it until today.
And what a massive success that US reaction was too.
15 saudis and 2 of another one and 1 of each... 80 saudis. Did the US attacked Saudi arabia? no. They went for Afghantistan...then Iraq because Saudi Passports? no because they had Weapons of Massive Destruction...NOT.
feck, I did again.
My point is that The US didn't occupy land as US land and keeping people miserable and killing kids and women just because to expect a 9/11. It came somewhat out of the blue. And I remember, funnily enough between the 1st and 2nd plane that some leads said that they were palestinians for US support to Israel, that I would understand much more than any of the other reasons.
US didn't deserve the 9/11, Israel didn't deserve 7/10 (if we have to start calling it like that) but 9/11 was a fecking surprise (I can put my tinfoil hat also) but 7/10 doesn't come as a surprise at all. And we all know the reasons. Now don't play naïve and deny it
It was. I'm not sure what the hell is going on here.
The conservative government immediately blamed ETA. Pretty soon it turned out that it was not ETA, it was Al Qaeda. There were elections that same week and Spanish people immediately voted the conservatives out.
I still laugh when I read or see this. How can the US defend their reaction with a straight face when they targetted everyone but the obvious target?
It was Al Qeada, but the government said it was the basques terrorist to not lose an election 4 days later. They denied for 4 days till people jump to the streets, But the government didn't go and start killing people in the basque country right away
I had a mare there. feck my memory
That's correct, because that's where Bin Ladin was.
Ok. So something like torture on an eye watering scale and the imprisonment of 40% of the male population over the duration of the occupation doesn’t really come to mind?
And all the rest is nonnsensical history
The Atocha bombing had nothing to do with ETA. Even the Judge Javier Bermudez said so. It was perpetrated by Islamic terrorists of Maroccan and Tunisian nationalities.
Torture on a eye watering scale ? Can't say it does. Having an unelected terrorist organization speaking for all Palestinians in Gaza is definitely a problem though. One has to ask whether Gazans are better off today off in the present than when Hamas took over 16 years ago.
They certainly were better in 1947
Unfortunately time doesn't flow backwards.
You are the one flying 16 years before, mate. Seems that 16 years are the limit, eh?
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On a day like this I wonder what pro-Israeli posters are even complaining about.
You are going to materially "win" this. Israel will get rid of almost ten thousand Palestinians of all stripes. They'll cause serious damage to Hamas. The United States and Europe will ensure that there are no serious consequences to this depravity. This is hardly in any doubt.
What is the complaint? That you'll get called names while this happens?
You are going to materially "win" this. Israel will get rid of almost ten thousand Palestinians of all stripes. They'll cause serious damage to Hamas. The United States and Europe will ensure that there are no serious consequences to this depravity. This is hardly in any doubt.
What is the complaint? That you'll get called names while this happens?
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They’re insecure. And they want the moral victory too. But everyone will know that they’re nothing but rancid cnuts.
ETA, Al Qaida, hamas... All the same, they're full of vowels.
Why are there US bases in Syria?
I'm pretty sure the government didn't invite them to setup shop there.
Acting as security for the oil conveys.Why are there US bases in Syria?
I'm pretty sure the government didn't invite them to setup shop there.
Not sure whether we're talking here about a base or outpost but anyway, one reason is because of American-led intervention against IS.Why are there US bases in Syria?
I'm pretty sure the government didn't invite them to setup shop there.
So many countries playing the abstain game.
Assad only controls about 2/3 of Syria.Why are there US bases in Syria?
I'm pretty sure the government didn't invite them to setup shop there.
Why are there US bases in Syria?
I'm pretty sure the government didn't invite them to setup shop there.
International coalition against ISIS… Probably one of the most justifiable military interventions the US has made over the last decades…Why are there US bases in Syria?
I'm pretty sure the government didn't invite them to setup shop there.
But unfortunately we can trace the birth of ISIS back to the dismantling of the Iraqi nation/state 10 years earlier…. And we will probably be looking at a Palestinian ISIS in 10/15 years from now as a result of the ongoing ethnic cleansing…