The problem with posting random cranks from twitter, is they generally make no sense. Yes, it’s a dog whistle to extremists on both sides. But the pro Israel side don’t use it. You don’t hear it here or at rallies, and they don’t try to claim it’s not malignant. He’s even (intentionally or stupidly) failed to identify the problem with it.Tweet
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Let me ask you something.The problem with posting random cranks from twitter, is they generally make no sense. Yes, it’s a dog whistle to extremists on both sides. But the pro Israel side don’t use it. You don’t hear it here or at rallies, and they don’t try to claim it’s not malignant. He’s even (intentionally or stupidly) failed to identify the problem with it.
I’ll respect you and anybody else here if you have points to make, but as with the “Asa winstanley is a journo” incident I feel no need to be respectful to random cranks. He didn’t even acknowledge the Hamas attack, he can get fecked.
You are on record here advocating the crime against humanity of "getting rid" of the Palestinian presence. This is literally calling for an Israel from the river to the sea.The problem with posting random cranks from twitter, is they generally make no sense. Yes, it’s a dog whistle to extremists on both sides. But the pro Israel side don’t use it. You don’t hear it here or at rallies, and they don’t try to claim it’s not malignant. He’s even (intentionally or stupidly) failed to identify the problem with it.
I’ll respect you and anybody else here if you have points to make, but as with the “Asa winstanley is a journo” incident I feel no need to be respectful to random cranks. He didn’t even acknowledge the Hamas attack, he can get fecked.
Correct: the pro Israel side no longer uses dog whistles. They just say they want ethnic cleansing and/or wanton carnage.Yes, it’s a dog whistle to extremists on both sides. But the pro Israel side don’t use it.
You yourself used it.The problem with posting random cranks from twitter, is they generally make no sense. Yes, it’s a dog whistle to extremists on both sides. But the pro Israel side don’t use it. You don’t hear it here or at rallies, and they don’t try to claim it’s not malignant. He’s even (intentionally or stupidly) failed to identify the problem with it.
I’ll respect you and anybody else here if you have points to make, but as with the “Asa winstanley is a journo” incident I feel no need to be respectful to random cranks. He didn’t even acknowledge the Hamas attack, he can get fecked.
I am quite certain the marchers are not shouting for Israeli sovereignty.You yourself used it.
Previous and present Israeli officials use it.
And most importantly and the most relevant one is that your fecking PM use it.
You really are insulting the intelligence of the posters here and it is becoming tiresome.
I want a tacit acknowledgement that despite the horrific nature, Israel had no choice internally or externally but to respond to this Hamas attack with an invasion.Let me ask you something.
You make statements like "pro Israel side don't use it" and focus on Hamas condemnation or not by individuals.
So what is Pro Israeli? What is it that you want when you ask doesn't Israel have a right to defend itself etc?
I can tell you what it is to me. For me, based on everything Israel stands for and does, how it treats ALL citizens/neighbours etc
It's supremacy. That's what Israel wants, defends and cries for
I've never in my life used the term from the river to the sea. In any context.You yourself used it.
Previous and present Israeli officials use it.
And most importantly and the most relevant one is that your fecking PM use it.
You really are insulting the intelligence of the posters here and it is becoming tiresome.
It is thousands times safer to here it from a single idiot in a 100k march, than to here from the mouth of the fecking Israeli PM who controls thousands of soldiers. FFS cant people use their brain.I am quite certain the marchers are not shouting for Israeli sovereignty.
Yes, you used a more hateful term. You know we dont have a memory of a fish, we can remember discussion from 2 days ago. We know what you said and what you meant.I've never in my life used the term from the river to the sea. In any context.
What I suggested is not against international law, not as a war crime or one against humanity. It's also not 'getting rid' of them to expand Israel (Egypt should take that land for all I care)You are on record here advocating the crime against humanity of "getting rid" of the Palestinian presence. This is literally calling for an Israel from the river to the sea.
This Orwellian pretzel that's being concocted whereby the opponents of Gaza being ethnically cleansed are the real bad guys and the ones advocating for and, indeed, enacting it, are the victims really is something to behold.
You think I'm stupid anyway, so please remind me the hateful term I used as I obviously do have the memory of a fish.Yes, you used a more hateful term. You know we dont have a memory of a fish, we can remember discussion from 2 days ago. We know what you said and what you meant.
My question,
what is more dangerous, The Israeli PM holding a fecking map exterminating the entire Palestinian land and painting it all Israeli from the river to the sea?
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Few idiots in a 100K march?
Maybe he's talking about ethnic cleansing?You think I'm stupid anyway, so please remind me the hateful term I used as I obviously do have the memory of a fish.
The Jews who got ethnic cleansed pre WWII were surely better for it. Many groups have been better for it. Displacement can save lives and can or should be considered if:Maybe he's talking about ethnic cleansing?
Have an argument with yourself:What I suggested is not against international law, not as a war crime or one against humanity. It's also not 'getting rid' of them to expand Israel (Egypt should take that land for all I care)
My most extreme view is that they should do a Kuwait at this point, and just get rid of them. Which is indeed a war crime, but it's more humane than this.
You think I'm stupid anyway, so please remind me the hateful term I used as I obviously do have the memory of a fish.
Someone wrote those lines, and it is not me. Hope you remember whoSo for me, there's no better even slightly realistic option. Ethnic cleansing happens, its bad, its happened to the Palestinian people a bunch of times, but it's still the best option in this case. The alternatives are a cycle of violence and death. Do you seen another realistic path out of this
Oh yes, I forgot the Kuwait one too.Have an argument with yourself:
I'll give you that, it's not too difficult to concede unless you believe in some absurd notion of free will. Israel responded with the only way they could given the circumstances.I want a tacit acknowledgement that despite the horrific nature, Israel had no choice internally or externally but to respond to this Hamas attack with an invasion.
Have an argument with yourself:
" . It's also not 'getting rid' of them to expand Israel" (Egypt should take that land for all I care) if you want to cut out parts of sentences, you can make anything work.Have an argument with yourself:
I agree somewhat. At least that the Hamas attacks were rational (or would have been on a far smaller scale.) I especially agree with the bold; Israel have put them in such destitution that they have not only been forced to violence as an only option, but forced into the arms of rogue nations who now use them as a proxy.I'll give you that, it's not too difficult to concede unless you believe in some absurd notion of free will. Israel responded with the only way they could given the circumstances.
But, in the same vein, I'll also say that Hamas had no choice internally or externally but to respond to the crimes committed historically by the Israeli state on Gaza with their violent attacks. What we need is a concrete discussion about the economical/political/social factors that have lead to the formation of a group such as Hamas. And there is absolutely no avoiding that Israel's violent policy with respect to the palestinians since the baffling conditions of its institution is a major part of it.
Sure.The Jews who got ethnic cleansed pre WWII were surely better for it.
If I were you, I would leave the discussion on the technicalities. It's not worth it.Sure.
But when you make this argument, you make it with the knowledge that the Nazis lost the war.
When you say Palestinians should move, you are assuming that Israel wins. That nobody involved will suffer any kind of consequences for this ethnic cleansing.
Not only that: from the way you've positioned yourself in this thread, it's a fair guess that you don't want any kind of meaningful consequences.
It's a very different argument.
Yes, I feel that's a given at this stage. At least for a while. If and when the Jewish state falls, which could happen in the future, it will likely be bloody beyond imagination. I doubt we'll live to see it though. Do you not feel its a given?Sure.
But when you make this argument, you make it with the knowledge that the Nazis lost the war.
When you say Palestinians should move, you are assuming that Israel wins. That nobody involved will suffer any kind of consequences for this ethnic cleansing.
Not only that: from the way you've positioned yourself in this thread, it's a fair guess that you don't want any kind of meaningful consequences.
It's a very different argument.
What a bizarre poster.Have an argument with yourself:
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Yeah I love this arguement. When they talk about Nelson Mandela, they clearly only know about the white-washed version of him post-prison sentence.I’ve seen camp David accords come up a fair few times here.
Was written a while back by Mandela’s grandson but worth a read : https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2020/7/18/how-israels-lobbyists-occupied-mandelas-legacy
Sorry but I don't share your views. And if I may add some of what you say about International Law etc I don't know how you can then make certain statements.I want a tacit acknowledgement that despite the horrific nature, Israel had no choice internally or externally but to respond to this Hamas attack with an invasion.
Whilst criticising the nature of their targeting is very valid (I'm doing it myself regularly), the idea that they should have sat back and done nothing is nonsensical. You can't respond to an attack like that by opening talks for a two state solution.
Israel is a relatively forwards thinking and liberal country internally. Certainly more so than many others, like say the USA. It has its problems, and those have accelerated in the last decades, but it's still ok.
I don't understand what you mean by it wants 'supremacy.'
Got a question for you.I agree somewhat. At least that the Hamas attacks were rational (or would have been on a far smaller scale.) I especially agree with the bold; Israel have put them in such destitution that they have not only been forced to violence as an only option, but forced into the arms of rogue nations who now use them as a proxy.
The problem is, their attack was too successful. There's no hope now for quite a while and that's only going to make things worse for the Palestinians, and sow hate more. Israel are also responding with what looks like massive barbarism which makes it worse. Thats why it all feels so depressing, this is just more in the cycle of killing.
Without putting words into your mouth, how I read your post is Israel should have done nothing following Hamas's attack on October 7th. Is this your view? It is a simple yes or no answer.Sorry but I don't share your views. And if I may add some of what you say about International Law etc I don't know how you can then make certain statements.
Israel doesn't want peace and everyone living under international law. It never did.
Israel wants supremacy. It wants the Arabs as it's inferiors with no rights. IDF can systematically beat up and arrest and shoot Palestinians but a Palestinian police officer cannot even chastise a Jew for breaking the law. Heck even Chelsea Clinton's kids don't have the same rights as Jews because she isn't a born Jew her husband is. Making the kids non Jewish (although this is against Jewish scripture)
What is Israel defending? It's rights to be the superior race amongst inferiors. That is supremacy.
No.Without putting words into your mouth, how I read your post is Israel should have done nothing following Hamas's attack on October 7th. Is this your view? It is a simple yes or no answer.
My stance throughout has been that Israel are shit at intelligence and have got complacent and massively dropped the ball. It has been a complete ISR failure. You can see they know nothing from the way their ground troops move; they know nothing.Got a question for you.
During the current massacre, Israelangonto line when bombing refugee camps and hospitals is that there was a specific Hamas personnel in there.
Previous statements by Israelis and "experts" said that Israel has double agents at every level of the Hamas structure. Mossad are basically shit hot at what they do.
If they know where every tunnel is and where every member is how the hell did they not know about the precision planned attack on the 7th?
My point is not that Israel knew or the whole conspiracy of Israel did it to do what is currently happening.
My point is you can't have it both ways. As in either Mossad is shit hot at what they do or just shit.
I'm not going into the whole international law thing with you because it's proved futile here. People attach (rightly?) emotional feelings to whether something breaks LOAC or not for example.Sorry but I don't share your views. And if I may add some of what you say about International Law etc I don't know how you can then make certain statements.
Israel doesn't want peace and everyone living under international law. It never did.
Israel wants supremacy. It wants the Arabs as it's inferiors with no rights. IDF can systematically beat up and arrest and shoot Palestinians but a Palestinian police officer cannot even chastise a Jew for breaking the law. Heck even Chelsea Clinton's kids don't have the same rights as Jews because she isn't a born Jew her husband is. Making the kids non Jewish (although this is against Jewish scripture)
What is Israel defending? It's rights to be the superior race amongst inferiors. That is supremacy.