I see where people are coming from when they say 'so the new players are lazy too.' Lazy might not be the right word but think of it like a garden completely neglected and overgrown with weeds. That's where we were for most of those early years post ferguson. A manager come in like solskjaer, and does some good work, improves parts but the good is still co-existing with some of the weeds that aren't gone. It simply will not be perfect or close to it, then things turn bad with some results and the good parts are simply not well established or stable enough and the weeds and negativity take over again. New manager comes in and the cycle repeats. It's a long slow process and I feel as if a certain sort of apathy, bad ego, blame culture and disharmony is pretty deep rooted now. Things start going bad and that old legacy culture starts appearing again- leaks, blame the manager, work rate drops. The same way ferguson bred a relentless winning culture so o'shea and rafael could dominate the midfield versus arsenal, the toxic culture post ferguson works the same.