I didn't read the OP and not going to, but I think I already regret clicking the 'Show ignored content.' just to see this thread.
ITT: Poster who doesn’t want to waste emotion returns with emotional buzzfeed essay insulting fans
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I was worried that would draw a new line of offense.
Nice to see Mourinho posting on the caf.
It's also surprising that most people who agree with the whoredramatic OP are too on my ignore list.
I get the gist of your post (though not the arguments you use to justify it).
You're not happy with Jose/the way he portrays the club.... I'm not particularly either but I think it's not all on him and the players are getting an easy ride.
But.... you can't pick and choose when you support United (or any club for that matter). I thought Dave Sexton was an idiot but I never stopped going. imo, Moyes was much worse than Jose and while I wanted him out with every fibre of my body, I still watched them, listened when I couldn't go, read the reports after, etc.
Whatever Jose does/says, whatever the media says, whatever Ed does/doesn't do..... whatever fullstop, support them or don't but don't say you want some sabbatical and you'll come back if YOU decide you like the next manager and/or style of play. It's all or nothing.
So, we are in 2018 and we are still discussing about "Good, positive football". Funny, considering that (as a 31 year old outsider) i've never considered United as anything close to a ballet of offensive football. The best SAF years were esentially a squad with amazingly good players, with strong and competitive personalities and fully aligned with the manager's view. The same SAF has said before that he doesn't believe in "football brands".
This just to focus on something debatable, in order to avoid the Reich, Trumpism and/or Toxic Masculinity camps... I could be considered as a Mourinho In but heck, there are way better arguments against Mourinho than the ones "presented" here.
This just to focus on something debatable, in order to avoid the Reich, Trumpism and/or Toxic Masculinity camps... I could be considered as a Mourinho In but heck, there are way better arguments against Mourinho than the ones "presented" here.
I think what happened to this poster is he got accustomed to the fantastic football we played during the Fergie era and now like all of us he has been forced to endure 5 seasons of gashtastic football under Moyes LVG and Jose. However it has hit him harder than he could ever imagine and it all led to a full blown meltdown of calamitous proportions. I have never seen the words rednecks and masculinity uttered that many times on a forum in my life 
OP, you need a break from football my friend. When it has gotten to the point where you are so angry you end up making a post like this I think it shows I'm right. Take a break from football and calm yourself.
OP, you need a break from football my friend. When it has gotten to the point where you are so angry you end up making a post like this I think it shows I'm right. Take a break from football and calm yourself.
And so am I, just watching it more as a passive observer rather than being 'worried' about the result. Doesn't stop me from being worried about the club and it's well-being. Perhaps the phrase boycotting the club is the wrong one to use, as if it was a true boycott of the club.. I wouldn't watch games etc. What I am trying to say is that if I feel we have a manager who is deliberately trying to tank it, and secure a pay off for himself by getting himself sacked - I can no longer support that project, and Jose has previous for doing that at clubs. There have been reports that his team talks have been getting more and more distant, and his entire mood and words to the media during pre-season where of someone who wanted to kill the confidence of his squad. It came across as sabotage. Maybe he too is caught up in whether he wants to get paid off or stick in and do a good job, but he's crossed the line enough times that for me there is no going back. That is why I am adamant that this is very different (from my own perspective admittedly) to a normal, manager doing badly situation and just sticking by the side. He's poisonous and he causes fractions. 99% of managers in the game, do not have that in their personality. That is why no matter who we get next, and even if we continue to go into freefall.. I would never stop supporting the side, like I feel obliged to do here.
The called it a thesis... I’m sure they meant feces.
And I’m not against Mourinho out, just in the current stage who else do we go for? We as a club can’t afford another bad appointment, I would prefer to watch better football but even under Fergie the early football was dire (as well as at the end of his tenure). We need to bring back the winning mentality and as unsure as I am that Mourinho is the man I don’t have a clue who could be.
It looks a lot shorter on a PC rather than on a phone.
People keep saying this but United need to have someone in place who can put a team together and play an effective, cohesive brand of football. Then the next step is to turn that into a winning brand of football. We seem to be trying to skip to the winning when the foundations are shaky. Also the argument, we can't risk another bad appointment is silly. It took many managerial appointments until we got Fergie after Busby, it took time but we eventually got there. The size of the club, its revenue and its fanbase ensures that eventually we will get it right, we shouldn't just hold on to managers for the sake of being patient and waiting until we fall out of the top 4.
I hate to say it but Liverpool were a bigger club in the 70’s and 80’s and because of the winning probably had healthier finances (although there was a smaller gap between the bigger and small clubs back then) and look at where they are, haven’t won the league since 1990, and a small handful of trophies since then. And in the supposed mess we are in we have won more since great man has retired than they have. I don’t subscribe to the “we’ll get it right eventually” line.
They where nowhere near as big, they might have been as prestigious but there was no club on the planet in the 70's and 80's that were nearly as large financially or culturally. The game has changed.
It depends what "getting it right" means, will we ever see a sustained period of dominance like we did under Sir Alex? Probably not in our life time.
Agreed, but if you look at why Liverpool went into decline, it is because they were stuck in the 80's with their approach. They kept giving the job to ex-Liverpool players or those who were in the 'boot room'. That meant outside developments in the game were viewed with suspicion, they became inwards looking and narrow-minded. This in conjunction with a lack of identity of what they wanted the club to be about going forwards, what type of players they envisioned to be part of Liverpool.
The quality of players being signed also didn't help, and the way the club lacked ruthlessness in binning of players who weren't upto the mark. I don't think there can be exact parallels drawn to our situation, as we have tried to get managers from outside the club, but we have signed three back to back managers who you can say are behind the curve of modern day coaching developments and man-management styles.
Just like they appointed managers brought up on 'yesterdays' football, we have kind of done the same. Instead of being trend-setters, we are not even trend-followers at this moment in time. We are also becoming more and more bitter about rival's progressing, instead of trying to figure out what is working at the top end of the european game and trying to imitate it (albeit with our own distinctive tweaks). Liverpool are after all this time, looking at the moment, like a team who are well set for the modern game, so yes it took them fecking ages but they're there and even in that big period of decline, they finished runners up in PL on several occasions, won some cups and even a CL, almost three (06/07 and 17/18), so I do think we will get there eventually but we must not be afraid to be ruthless throughout the process if it calls for it.
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If only those parents knew their kids were managed by a feminist.
I agree with the message, i doubt anyone truly disagrees deep down. That Jose isnt the right man for much longer isnt something really new. Some wording is a bit provocative, but it is not Jose's only fault. The club as a whole isnt moving into the right direction and lack modernity. We can hire a manager for a few years and be successful, but be shit again once we appoint another manager. Our fluctuations between good and bad cant rely on a manager alone, we lack the structure for the continuity that was provided by Sir Alex previously and is now gone. Unless we find another genius for decades, we will have massive slumps in between successful and not successful managers. We need to implement a certain structure to be able to keep ourselves relatively successful, even if the season isnt the greatest. We dont have that currently and if our manager has a bad season or meltdown, there is no limit to catch us form the free fall. Create the best possible environment for our managers and players to thrive in is what i am missing, with a clear direction of style we want to implement. I dont think you should be angry with Jose, but more with the club for hiring him. We all knew what we would get, at the latest after Sevilla.
So now people want Mourinho in again to get one over a weird poster ?
Good a reason as any other for keeping him in a job. Sorry, I'm being facetious
Really should have stopped reading at this point.
I don't really like the apparently revamped thread title. What about going with
Mourinho Out: The Intercontinental Socio-Political Context You May Not Have Considered Before.
And then hiding it away where no one has to read it.
Mourinho Out: The Intercontinental Socio-Political Context You May Not Have Considered Before.
And then hiding it away where no one has to read it.
This must be your phone then.
Yup. Like yourself who followed the majority in slating the OP. Sheep mentality, indeed.
Read part of it. Reminded me of that BBC documentary of world war 2. The one with the tank driving through the water in the opening with the epic music.
It became clear that the allies where no match for the onslaught of the wehrmachts blitzkrieg tactics BABABABAAAAAAAAAA.
I give up half way through though.
TL;DR: Mou out?
It became clear that the allies where no match for the onslaught of the wehrmachts blitzkrieg tactics BABABABAAAAAAAAAA.
I give up half way through though.
TL;DR: Mou out?
Wow i mean i thought i disagreed but when i dived deep down as you say it totally changed things for me. Suddenly i realised i too only support united because of a brand of football and that i didn't actually care about anything else all along.
It's all so clear now, all those idiot fans supporting their teams, what suckers.
Here I am grinding for my final like and promotion, and I come here and see moronic shite like this in it’s own thread!
There must be a redcafe goes into meltdown thread on Rawk now right ?
There must be a redcafe goes into meltdown thread on Rawk now right ?
Football Maturity
90% of the football fans watch football match for entertainment, just like watching a movie. The big difference is Football is more personal than a movie. With a failed movie, we are outsiders, and easily brush it off with derision. A failed football match is a personal failure for the fans. It is this emotional connect that makes football more painful when we lose but also makes it more beautiful when we win.
While there was respite for fans of the pre-internet age (your 90s and pre-90s fans) as the opposition ridicule was limited only to match day visits in an Away game (That's why Derby games were special back in the days). As a result the fans had time to view football with more patience and maturity. They had the emotional respite to truly enjoy what was happening in the field and analyse it for what it was - good or bad. These fans, just as passionate as we are today, were considerably more mature than us.
With technology things have changed much for the fans. The opposition fans sit in your palm 24*7- they enter your heads at every break, taunt you and ridicule you almost all the time - thanks largely to your cell phones. Every loss is now an emotional trauma. Games are viewed for bragging rights. Bragging over results, bragging over styles, bragging over trophies, bragging all the time. That is why every time a team loses, without any objective consideration for the finer details behind the loss, your modern fans get emotionally triggered and often come out with unreal out-of-the-ass reasons to spread their contempt. It is understandable as there is really no emotional respite after a loss. This fear of constant ridicule is extremely personal and frustration is constantly penting up inside causing true emotional harm.When the results continue to go bad anybody is bound to break down emotionally, as seen by this post. The joy of a football game is truly lost on most of you.
As a liverpool fan since the Houllier days, I went through the dark ages under the Hicks/Gillet - Hodgson Era. While my initial thoughts were to rant at everybody, everything, finding stupid reasons at every corner desperately hoping for a change, like how most of the cafe fans here shouting Mourinho In, Mourinho Out, Style is crap, Players are crap, Board is crap, I am crap, You are crap, Crap is crap.. etc.. These fans (majority of them here in cafe) are badly hurt and are desperately hoping for a change without realizing any change (manager,board, players etc.) is just as likely to be harmful unless there is a change from the self and how you view the game.
My suggestion to you is Football Maturity. Enjoy the game. Care for the results without being worried about opposition ridicule. Be passionate without causing self harm. Be dejected not depressed. Success is a cycle it will come and go. Start enjoying football for the beautiful game it is.
When United played Tottenham this weekend, there was 90 mins of ebb and flow, between two world class managers trying to outwit each other tactically and 22 world class players fighting it out in the middle of the park. Enjoy it. Sad United Lost, but discuss thing objectively from a football point of view. It's a game after all and even in sadness enjoy it, that's what its meant to do, distract you from real life problems/sadness - an emotional entertainment.
This Raees Post feels like a man bitching about dumping his wife to the whole world after the bad sex he had with her last night.
My answer to you is -Your Wife doesn't care about it. World doesn't care about it. Only you will be left alone holding your dick. So It's not the end of the world, relax and move on.
[ If you like my post, I have also discussed about Jose Mourinho's performance and the United trouble in great detail in the Jose Mourinho performance thread. All Football discussions. Read it you will like it. Enjoy]
90% of the football fans watch football match for entertainment, just like watching a movie. The big difference is Football is more personal than a movie. With a failed movie, we are outsiders, and easily brush it off with derision. A failed football match is a personal failure for the fans. It is this emotional connect that makes football more painful when we lose but also makes it more beautiful when we win.
While there was respite for fans of the pre-internet age (your 90s and pre-90s fans) as the opposition ridicule was limited only to match day visits in an Away game (That's why Derby games were special back in the days). As a result the fans had time to view football with more patience and maturity. They had the emotional respite to truly enjoy what was happening in the field and analyse it for what it was - good or bad. These fans, just as passionate as we are today, were considerably more mature than us.
With technology things have changed much for the fans. The opposition fans sit in your palm 24*7- they enter your heads at every break, taunt you and ridicule you almost all the time - thanks largely to your cell phones. Every loss is now an emotional trauma. Games are viewed for bragging rights. Bragging over results, bragging over styles, bragging over trophies, bragging all the time. That is why every time a team loses, without any objective consideration for the finer details behind the loss, your modern fans get emotionally triggered and often come out with unreal out-of-the-ass reasons to spread their contempt. It is understandable as there is really no emotional respite after a loss. This fear of constant ridicule is extremely personal and frustration is constantly penting up inside causing true emotional harm.When the results continue to go bad anybody is bound to break down emotionally, as seen by this post. The joy of a football game is truly lost on most of you.
As a liverpool fan since the Houllier days, I went through the dark ages under the Hicks/Gillet - Hodgson Era. While my initial thoughts were to rant at everybody, everything, finding stupid reasons at every corner desperately hoping for a change, like how most of the cafe fans here shouting Mourinho In, Mourinho Out, Style is crap, Players are crap, Board is crap, I am crap, You are crap, Crap is crap.. etc.. These fans (majority of them here in cafe) are badly hurt and are desperately hoping for a change without realizing any change (manager,board, players etc.) is just as likely to be harmful unless there is a change from the self and how you view the game.
My suggestion to you is Football Maturity. Enjoy the game. Care for the results without being worried about opposition ridicule. Be passionate without causing self harm. Be dejected not depressed. Success is a cycle it will come and go. Start enjoying football for the beautiful game it is.
When United played Tottenham this weekend, there was 90 mins of ebb and flow, between two world class managers trying to outwit each other tactically and 22 world class players fighting it out in the middle of the park. Enjoy it. Sad United Lost, but discuss thing objectively from a football point of view. It's a game after all and even in sadness enjoy it, that's what its meant to do, distract you from real life problems/sadness - an emotional entertainment.
This Raees Post feels like a man bitching about dumping his wife to the whole world after the bad sex he had with her last night.
My answer to you is -Your Wife doesn't care about it. World doesn't care about it. Only you will be left alone holding your dick. So It's not the end of the world, relax and move on.
[ If you like my post, I have also discussed about Jose Mourinho's performance and the United trouble in great detail in the Jose Mourinho performance thread. All Football discussions. Read it you will like it. Enjoy]
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It is not only about supporting United. You want them to do well, who doesnt. If you are used to winning, you want back to winning ways, asap. We can be fine with only supporting the club, but then you shouldnt be critical at any point if that is what its all about. His post about not backing the club is a bit too much, but i agreed on the part with Jose, his main message. If his protest is to not back United, that is his indiviual decision. Your post only has valuation if you didnt complain about our brand of football during Moyes or van Gaal, otherwise you are a hypocrite. When i watch United, i only care about our style and winning at that moment, not about anything else you think a fan should support United about. These things dont help us improve one bit
Nope. You can quite easily support the club and criticise the manager/owners. The two are not the same.
I'm not playing top trumps with you.
Baaaaaaaa
Suddenly everyone and his aunt think they are Lev Tolstoy on the Caf.
Pretentious twits. Not everyone has read War and Peas, like wot i hav dun.
Was he that Russian goalie?
I don't see white text but I presume that was a joke.
Interesting. Always thought it was Leo Tolstoy-- Was surprised to check out his real name..
I don't know what's funnier in this thread: the intended comedy or the unintended. Either way, it's close to classic status by now.