ITT: Poster who doesn’t want to waste emotion returns with emotional buzzfeed essay insulting fans

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Dude, your support of the club has no influence on its well-being. Even viewed through the lens of toxic masculinity and the third Reich, your logic falls apart there - your decision not to support the team doesn't prevent it from crumbling, it doesn't impact its long-term interests. Your moral stance has no value. It just provides an opportunity for you to give yourself a pat on the back to help get over the emotional torment of watching "your" football team play bad football. That's all this is, really. You're just dressing up your dissatisfaction with boring football with a tale of morality and politics that makes you feel better about yourself. You know it too.



What you want is the constant highs of supporting the best team around. Everything else is just a fun pretence. And we thank you for it.
Raees pwned by Brwned
 

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No point wasting any emotions in supporting this current shitshow.
I doubt you have any emotions left after the OP.

You need to relax for your own good. You are massively overthinking things.
 

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Dude, your support of the club has no influence on its well-being. Even viewed through the lens of toxic masculinity and the third Reich, your logic falls apart there - your decision not to support the team doesn't prevent it from crumbling, it doesn't impact its long-term interests. Your moral stance has no value. It just provides an opportunity for you to give yourself a pat on the back to help get over the emotional torment of watching "your" football team play bad football. That's all this is, really. You're just dressing up your dissatisfaction with boring football with a tale of morality and politics that makes you feel better about yourself. You know it too.



What you want is the constant highs of supporting the best team around. Everything else is just a fun pretence. And we thank you for it.
Exactly.

The OP just screams Glory Hunter, while trying to justify being a glory hunter by trying to claim the moral high ground.
 

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I completely understand the points of the thread and agree with the majority of them.

But I cannot agree with refusing to support your club while such and such. If you arent willing to support your club in bad times you arent a supporter in my opinion, just a follower of the club or a fairweather supporter.
 

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So people who don't want Jose fired are Trump supporting facists.

Jose is equivalent to Trump and/or Hitler.

Basically, this is a long winded insult to anyone whose opinion does not conform to the OP's. It's psuedo-intellectual horseshite. Well done OP for coming across as a close-minded, jingoistic, morally superior knob.
 

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Dude, your support of the club has no influence on its well-being. Even viewed through the lens of toxic masculinity and the third Reich, your logic falls apart there - your decision not to support the team doesn't prevent it from crumbling, it doesn't impact its long-term interests. Your moral stance has no value. It just provides an opportunity for you to give yourself a pat on the back to help get over the emotional torment of watching "your" football team play bad football. That's all this is, really. You're just dressing up your dissatisfaction with boring football with a tale of morality and politics that makes you feel better about yourself. You know it too.



What you want is the constant highs of supporting the best team around. Everything else is just a fun pretence. And we thank you for it.
Excellent post. Sums up the thinking behind taking such a long sabbatical (Which I wasn't really aware of) and coming back all guns and blazing.
 

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Im sure bluemoon and RAWK will get some mileage out of it.
Don't know much about Bluemoon but speaking from first-hand experience on RAWK- the post is right up their alley. The overtly emotional, melodramatic, poetic essays are welcomed. RAWK is not going to laugh at Raees, they are going to embrace him. He just might get an honorary membership - the next Johnnowhite!
 

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Dude, your support of the club has no influence on its well-being. Even viewed through the lens of toxic masculinity and the third Reich, your logic falls apart there - your decision not to support the team doesn't prevent it from crumbling, it doesn't impact its long-term interests. Your moral stance has no value. It just provides an opportunity for you to give yourself a pat on the back to help get over the emotional torment of watching "your" football team play bad football. That's all this is, really. You're just dressing up your dissatisfaction with boring football with a tale of morality and politics that makes you feel better about yourself. You know it too.



What you want is the constant highs of supporting the best team around. Everything else is just a fun pretence. And we thank you for it.
Simplistic way of trying to paint anyone who is unsupportive of Jose’s project as a ‘fair-weather’ fan.

Why no boycott under Moyes or LVG where the football was as bad or where the results were actually more terrible?

The difference is that those two managers were incompetent but they weren’t abusing their position of responsibility. The playing style they both utilised whilst here wasn’t strictly in line with our values etc but off the pitch they didn’t disgrace the club or actively seek to create divides within the club (not to the same extent). End of the day the manager in many ways becomes the personification of the club especially a club like this where we give managers a huge say on the actions of the club.

Most managers stick to football stuff and don’t really dabble in the media and play politics - Jose does that. Fans from other clubs will tell you that Jose has previous in doing so, which makes him unique. See @carvajal post on his time at Madrid where he had fans turning on each other.

That’s why it isn’t a normal situation of just sit tight, keep supporting the club and hoping results come in and things turn around. He’s poison and I cannot actively support the club getting results - when each result keeps him in longer but the club becomes more and more of a laughing stock with his antics and players who have the potential to be great players here end up walking away. I don’t see how that is being a good supporter.

Being an England fan for example, we are used to years of failure and we’ve had years of incompetence pre the recent World Cup campaign. No need to boycott though, as everyone in the role has tried their best and even though the football has been shite, still never missed a game or stopped supporting. I’m not the one here who is fussed about results or ‘winning’. Yes winning is nice and a bonus, but ultimately you support a club because something about it connects with you whether it’s because it’s your local club, your dad supported them etc. When someone is abusing the very thing you care about (and I feel post Sevilla - Jose has especially during pre season almost tried to tank it with some of his comments and seems more concerned about the preservation of his legacy than the well-being of the club) how can I justify supporting that any longer.
 
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What does ITT mean anyway? In The Transcript? Italian Tic Tac?

Not sure if a drunk poster or a footballist feminist antimourinhoist.
 
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I completely understand the points of the thread and agree with the majority of them.

But I cannot agree with refusing to support your club while such and such. If you arent willing to support your club in bad times you arent a supporter in my opinion, just a follower of the club or a fairweather supporter.
I feel the same. I agree with a lot of the points made by @Raees but not supporting the club while Jose is manager exclusively because Jose is manager is contradictory to some of his original arguments.
 

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I liked the post, you remind me of myself writing during last year of Mourinho in Madrid haha.
I didn't understand everything but sound a bit like the madridistas and "Pseudomadridistas" that he used with the press.
However I think most of the fans can openly criticize Mourinho ,or at least it is the idea that I get after reading the forum.
I remember an atmosphere more tense years ago(I mean in Madrid,dividing fans/press).
In any case when you signed him you knew his "contras", that acquired style of criticizing the players,the theatre with the press and you knew that you were going footballistically to the extreme right.
It's easier to do so when he hasn't won a league like he did with Real.
 

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I kinda understand why someone would post something like this considering the state of the club right now. I know a guy who used to work at Burger King nearby my house, a proper ManUnited fan that one. He really loves the club to the point where after the game against Tottenham, the guy got so depressed that He lost not only his job but also managed to lose his dog and lawnmowers. When his neighbor asked him why didn't He eat and what did He want for lunch, He quietly whispered "Louie van gaal's army" nobody knew what He meant until I came and gave him a pack of biscuits.
 

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tl;dr - Jose and the fans' toxic masculinity is ruining this club and this is why we cannot reelect Donald Trump in 2020.

(Or at least that's what I got from it. If that's not what the OP actually says, same difference.)
 

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It is a genuinely awful post, full of self aggrandizement.

I just want the Manchester United I grew up with back.
But this sticks out.

The club you want, you need is gone and will never be again. We'd need to get rid of Ed Woodward, sack three quarters of the squad and reset the entire footballing structure for this to happen. It simply won't, you can't snap your fingers and erase 20 years of foundations and have a perfectly new club there ready to go that is tailor made to your desires. It is as simple as that, the sooner you understand that modern football is a bunch of overpaid feckbaloons running around kicking a parcel of breeze around a patch of grass with absolutely no consequences to how the fans feel about results, the sooner you're going to realize you just don't like what football is anymore.

But it is nowt to do with United as a club, they simply plug into the structure of the machinery.
 

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Simplistic way of trying to paint anyone who is unsupportive of Jose’s project as a ‘fair-weather’ fan.

Why no boycott under Moyes or LVG where the football was as bad or where the results were actually more terrible?

The difference is that those two managers were incompetent but they weren’t abusing their position of responsibility. The playing style they both utilised whilst here wasn’t strictly in line with our values etc but off the pitch they didn’t disgrace the club or actively seek to create divides within the club (not to the same extent). End of the day the manager in many ways becomes the personification of the club especially a club like this where we give managers a huge say on the actions of the club.

Most managers stick to football stuff and don’t really dabble in the media and play politics - Jose does that. Fans from other clubs will tell you that Jose has previous in doing so, which makes him unique. See @carvajal post on his time at Madrid where he had fans turning on each other.

That’s why it isn’t a normal situation of just sit tight, keep supporting the club and hoping results come in and things turn around. He’s poison and I cannot actively support the club getting results - when each result keeps him in longer but the club becomes more and more of a laughing stock with his antics and players who have the potential to be great players here end up walking away. I don’t see how that is being a good supporter.

Being an England fan for example, we are used to years of failure and we’ve had years of incompetence pre the recent World Cup campaign. No need to boycott though, as everyone in the role has tried their best and even though the football has been shite, still never missed a game or stopped supporting. I’m not the one here who is fussed about results or ‘winning’. Yes winning is nice and a bonus, but ultimately you support a club because something about it connects with you whether it’s because it’s your local club, your dad supported them etc. When someone is abusing the very thing you care about (and I feel post Sevilla - Jose has especially during pre season almost tried to tank it with some of his comments and seems more concerned about the preservation of his legacy than the well-being of the club) how can I justify supporting that any longer.
More virtue-signalling. You failed to adequately respond to the post you quoted. As previously stated by @Brwned, you boycotting the club in no way prevents it from “crumbling”, to use his phrasing. What is your response to that statement? Furthermore, why not go quietly into the night with these ideals, rather than broadcast them across the forum? Are you attempting to enlist support, or are you instead publicly presenting yourself as a martyr, and in doing so, rather ironically becoming something of the ‘top red’ you so evidently despise?
 

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I would like to have seen you in the 90's, preaching this to these masculine football fans faces. You would get smacked upside the head real quick.
 

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In a very long-winded way using insults and offending the jews? That's quite easy

Just another poster who wants attention and is scared their views will go amiss in other threads. Obviously this guys opinions are really really important
This is the guy who claims he used to be a pro level manager at a club in England. Don't remember if it was PL level or championship. He also starts name dropping who he has been discussing with on the caf to validate his argument.

Didn't you guys now he's a big deal, before criticising him?:)
 

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Why no boycott under Moyes or LVG where the football was as bad or where the results were actually more terrible?
Boycott our games next year. I will probably take on a new hobby to make up for the gaping hole of not watching United and probably watch Liverpool games as I enjoy the way Klopp has them playing and will be interesting to see a Pep led City/Conte led Chelsea. I watch their games on and off anyway but definitely will do so more regularly next year just out of interest to see how their seasons pan out. They're the only PL teams which could interest me as a neutral. Arsenal are too cowardly for me to enjoy their games and I don't envisage seeing any progress.

I will probably want Spurs to win the league.
I imagine I could find similar posts from the Moyes era too. Just stop mate, you are just upset that we aren't winning the league every season playing great football and you're trying to justify it with some moral nonsense. The weird thing is that no one is asking you to stay. Go ahead, boycott away.
 

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Simplistic way of trying to paint anyone who is unsupportive of Jose’s project as a ‘fair-weather’ fan.
Nope. You're the one categorising groups of fans into different moral realms, and placing yourself in the most laudable one. I'm just talking about you. If you want to categorise me into your weird groups, try this one:
Mourinho's suck a dick. Can't help throwing his own players under the bus to protect his own ego. It's the complete opposite of how Sir Alex was, or even how Mourinho was a decade ago. Madrid fecked him up.
It was in September 2016. My opinion on that hasn't changed at all. Whether you're supportive or unsupportive of Mourinho doesn't really matter to me. Or the club. The only place it matters is in your own head. That was really my only point. You're making a grandiose point about a comically small thing.

We all like to tell ourselves stories but you've painted a particularly rich tapestry and decided to announce it in the most dramatic fashion. Within that tapestry the only nugget of truth was that you follow the club for entertainment. That's what you care about. That's what you're upset about. If it wasn't about entertainment you would support another club which has far more cultural, moral and geographic relevance to you. It's probably better for your mental health if you just embrace that.
 

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The problem is some think they're more important than they actually are. Someone stopping supporting the club or not will mean nothing in the long run. No one really care. Your support of the club is something dependent on you, and it only interests you. Neither the club, the board, the players, the manager or the fans will care a little bit if you didn't watch the games. They don't even know you to start with.

If I'm deciding to boycott the club, I'll do it without talkng and leave, because no one really care about that beside me, why tell everyone then as if mine boycotting the club is a disaster that will force the club to change its routes ?
 

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Not going to get into a debate about the OP. However, there's an attempted to paint those that don't support Mourinho or want him out as lesser fans who aren't supporting the club properly.
 

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Not going to get into a debate about the OP. However, there's an attempted to paint those that don't support Mourinho or want him out as lesser fans who aren't supporting the club properly.
And the same is happening those who do.
 

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Maybe I don't see it cause I'm on the other side of the argument but I wouldn't be surprised.
You don't see it because it's not really a thing, outside of the OP of this thread it's not common.
 

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I agree with most parts of the OP, although I seem to have only read the censored version. I‘d even go further and give some supporters another reason to feel offended.

The first dozen replies in threads on the new and improved Caf seem to point out the direction which many posters will happily follow just because it feels nice to belong to a majority.
 

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I agree with most parts of the OP, although I seem to have only read the censored version. I‘d even go further and give some supporters another reason to feel offended.

The first dozen replies in threads on the new and improved Caf seem to point out the direction which many posters will happily follow just because it feels nice to belong to a majority.
They are called sheep