Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract

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He sounds like a Brummy Benedict Cumberbatch.
He really does.

At least there are some links now out in the press. That can only be good news with the summer fast approaching
 

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Poch wanted to sign Grealish and Bruno Fernandes last summer, we have signed Bruno already and linked with Grealish.

Hopefully we are building squad for Poch and act like big club for once.
 

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Poch wanted to sign Grealish and Bruno Fernandes last summer, we have signed Bruno already and linked with Grealish.

Hopefully we are building squad for Poch and act like big club for once.
Poch or not these are the calibre of players we need to sign, we need to stop revolving our transfer approach on types of players managers want (especially considering Poch has no contract with United) and just go for a player that will add value regardless of philosophies.
 

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Poch or not these are the calibre of players we need to sign, we need to stop revolving our transfer approach on types of players managers want (especially considering Poch has no contract with United) and just go for a player that will add value regardless of philosophies.
That will never end well. It should be always recruitment team/DoF working closely with manager and sign the profile of player coach wants for his team.

Again that will depend on continuity too like not hiring defensive managers after hiring manager like Van Gaal.
 

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That will never end well. It should be always recruitment team/DoF working closely with manager and sign the profile of player coach wants for his team.
By that I meant we should avoid going for a specialist player, i.e. a Van Gaal type player that obviously wouldn't fit in a Mourinho system. I'd rather we just sign a top class player that would long term be here.
 

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By that I meant we should avoid going for a specialist player, i.e. a Van Gaal type player that obviously wouldn't fit in a Mourinho system. I'd rather we just sign a top class player that would long term be here.
Yeah but we should also hire managers for that. For example we can't sign a great #10 and then hire a manager who prefers playing 4-3-3 or 3=5=2. We need that planning on how to build the squad and also the type of coach we should be hiring.

It's all just dream though, we will just end up with manager and keep on signing players manager want and then will be stuck in rebuilding mode forever.
 

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That will never end well. It should be always recruitment team/DoF working closely with manager and sign the profile of player coach wants for his team.

Again that will depend on continuity too like not hiring defensive managers after hiring manager like Van Gaal.
Disagree. The idea that coaches need certain profiles of players is massively overstated here - very few are so narrow-minded. Coaches want to work with good players more than anything else.
 

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Disagree. The idea that coaches need certain profiles of players is massively overstated here - very few are so narrow-minded. Coaches want to work with good players more than anything else.
You cant sign a defensive FB and hire Pep as a coach, same with Conte and a CB who is not comfortable in 3 at the back system.

They won't have to match 100% but there are profile of players that manager wants and you can't push completely opposite player on them.
 

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So would we play him on the wing as seems to have been the case this season or would he be a no. 10?

Concerned that a McT/Bruno/Grealish midfield lacks discipline and positional sense and could be bypassed easily. Also concerned if we were to leave him out right he could be less effective than being more central...
 

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You cant sign a defensive FB and hire Pep as a coach, same with Conte and a CB who is not comfortable in 3 at the back system.

They won't have to match 100% but there are profile of players that manager wants and you can't push completely opposite player on them.
Guardiola has used Walker as a ‘defensive’ full back as well as that period where he had him moving into central midfield. He had Abidal at Barcelona too. What centre halves are uncomfortable in every position in a back three? Coaches will use good players it really is as simple as that.
 

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Guardiola has used Walker as a ‘defensive’ full back as well as that period where he had him moving into central midfield. He had Abidal at Barcelona too. What centre halves are uncomfortable in every position in a back three? Coaches will use good players it really is as simple as that.
Walker was very good at making overlapping runs, then he switched to FBs coming inside to support midfield thing.

I don't agree with your point, manager need players who fit what they are building, not just good players. Skriniar is playing way below his level in 3 CB system, at the same time it suits De Vrij and he looks better player now. Vidic looked completely out of his depth in 3 CB system when he moved to Inter.

Obviously coaches use good players, they will even use average players if they are part of the squad, that's not the discussion.
 

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How would we incorporate both Bruno and Grealish in the squad in first 11?

Both of them would be wasted as CMs in 4-3-3 plus it would be defensively weak and I can't see us playing Grealish on the left since that's Rashford's and Martial's position.

Maybe 4-2-2-2 with Grealish as LAM and Bruno as RAM and Rashford and hopefully a new addition as a pair of strikers (like Leipzig)?
 

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So would we play him on the wing as seems to have been the case this season or would he be a no. 10?

Concerned that a McT/Bruno/Grealish midfield lacks discipline and positional sense and could be bypassed easily. Also concerned if we were to leave him out right he could be less effective than being more central...
Although I don't think MCT should be part of the first 11 but if we had to do so, I would play 4-1-2-1-2 given that we only signed Grealish and played Williams and AWB is wingback roles to provide width and overlap Grealish and MCT. Fred would need to be told not to cross the half way line and protect the CBs.

Rashford Greenwood
Bruno
Grealish MCT
Fred
Williams Maguire Lindelof AWB
 

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Some people on the caf just want new players at any cost. Grealish's two favoured positions are taken by Bruno and Rashford. Rashford is basically our best player as seeing as Pogba is on his way out while Bruno is the man we're pinning our hopes on to replace Pogba, so how does Grealish fit in.

Yes you could play them both in CM but this makes little sense to me because they are both AM's. City did it with KDB and Silva but Pep is a master of midfield play while our dear Ole is anything but.

It makes far more sense to get a proper CM and DM than trying to shoehorn Grealish into the team because you like him.
 

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Ole is not Pep or Rodgers and has been pretty rigid with his 4-2-3-1 formation. There are ways to make Bruno and Grealish work. We could play 4-3-3 with both as AMs and a solid DM behind them. Or we could play 4-2-2-2 with Grealish as a Left attacking midfielder and Bruno as right attacking midfielder. But I just don't see a point trying to fit Grealish in when we could just sign a position that we actually need. Grealish and Bruno can work if we had Pochettino and could be used similarly like Eriksen and Alli
 

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Some people on the caf just want new players at any cost. Grealish's two favoured positions are taken by Bruno and Rashford. Rashford is basically our best player as seeing as Pogba is on his way out while Bruno is the man we're pinning our hopes on to replace Pogba, so how does Grealish fit in.

Yes you could play them both in CM but this makes little sense to me because they are both AM's. City did it with KDB and Silva but Pep is a master of midfield play while our dear Ole is anything but.

It makes far more sense to get a proper CM and DM than trying to shoehorn Grealish into the team because you like him.
Considering our need for creativity in our team, the quality of Grealish, how he has proven himself in the PL and the fact he possess quite a few qualities we lack, we should be in for him if he is available for the fee being mentioned. Look how volnerable we have been to injuries this year. Rashford has probably played to much and with Pogba out injured we have had no creativity in our team. Imagine how much we could have used him this year, the first half of the season as an option to Pogba, the second half as an option to Rashford. Furthermore, he could have played as a LW when Rashford played as a striker when Martial was injured. In short, he would provide us so many more options. What if Bruno and/or Rash gets injured next year? What if Bruno struggle to adapt?
And why on earth should Man Utds best option from the bench, given no injuries, be Pereira and Lingard?

Furthermore, OGS really enjoyed playing the 4312 last year. In such a setup we could easily play both Bruno and Grealish. And lets not forget, Bruno looked fine in his first game in the PL against a good side playing in a midfield two. Grealish prefers to play as an eight. I´m not sure you would have to be some sort of genius to manage play both of the together in a 433. Villa played McGinn and Grealish together on numerous occasions. But we do need a proper holding midfielder behind them.

Dan Smiths view on him (and Grealish himself);

Asked after the game as to his best position, Grealish, with a smile, replied: "I don't think the manager will like me saying this, but I prefer playing as a number eight, but I'll play wherever the manager wants."

It is that attitude that so impresses Smith, who said: "He can play a number of positions.

"He can play as part of a two in midfield, play as a 10, play as an eight when we play a one and two (an attacking midfielder behind two strikers), he can play left, he can play right.
 
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McTominay
Bruno ------ Grealish
??? ------ ??? ------ Rashford
This is a formation for a good modern manager to adopt, obviously not for Ole. It certainly wouldn't work for his anti-football brand of attacking "coaching".
 

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Some people on the caf just want new players at any cost. Grealish's two favoured positions are taken by Bruno and Rashford. Rashford is basically our best player as seeing as Pogba is on his way out while Bruno is the man we're pinning our hopes on to replace Pogba, so how does Grealish fit in.

Yes you could play them both in CM but this makes little sense to me because they are both AM's. City did it with KDB and Silva but Pep is a master of midfield play while our dear Ole is anything but.

It makes far more sense to get a proper CM and DM than trying to shoehorn Grealish into the team because you like him.
While that's true, we also do need the depth. Grealish is having a very good season at LW, but could also cover Fernandes in the CAM role better than Pereira or Lingard.
 

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———-—New dm————-
—Bruno————-Grealish
James—New cf—-Rashford

Think this could work but it would need a really good dm and hard working wingers. Don’t think we could get away with Martial or Mata out wide for instance.
 

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———-—New dm————-
—Bruno————-Grealish
James—New cf—-Rashford

Think this could work but it would need a really good dm and hard working wingers. Don’t think we could get away with Martial or Mata out wide for instance.
That's just a 4-3-3, it's Bruno and Grealish that have to do the really hard work in that formation.
 

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I really like Grealish, gets punched in the moosh by some prick, thinks feck ‘em, scores a goal. We could do with someone like that, plus he’s good.
 

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I'd be really chuffed if he comes. Tidy player and mentally strong too.
 

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Although I'd like to see Grealish as much as anyone else (I'm a big fan), I can't imagine Ole going away from his favoured 4231 formation. I posted a 442 formation the other day, more out of hope, rather than what I feel Ole will do.

The only way I see us buying Grealish is if Ole has plans of dropping Bruno deeper. Due to the happening against Wolves, and us arguably being better and more dominant in the second with Bruno in the deeper role, then I don't see it as an outlandish claim to have a midfield three of Fred/McTominay, Bruno and Grealish, especially against teams who sit back.

Martial
Grealish
Rashford Fred Bruno Winger
Williams Maguire Lindelof Wan-Bissaka
De Gea​
 

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Although I'd like to see Grealish as much as anyone else (I'm a big fan), I can't imagine Ole going away from his favoured 4231 formation. I posted a 442 formation the other day, more out of hope, rather than what I feel Ole will do.

The only way I see us buying Grealish is if Ole has plans of dropping Bruno deeper. Due to the happening against Wolves, and us arguably being better and more dominant in the second with Bruno in the deeper role, then I don't see it as an outlandish claim to have a midfield three of Fred/McTominay, Bruno and Grealish, especially against teams who sit back.

Martial
Grealish
Rashford Fred Bruno Winger
Williams Maguire Lindelof Wan-Bissaka
De Gea​
Bruno is better as a No. 10 while Grealish has confirmed himself that his favorite position is No. 8. If Ole does do 4-2-3-1, it'll be
--------- Bruno ----------
Grealish ---------- Fred
 

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McTominay
Bruno ------ Grealish
??? ------ ??? ------ Rashford
This is a formation for a good modern manager to adopt, obviously not for Ole. It certainly wouldn't work for his anti-football brand of attacking "coaching".

Sancho - Werner - Rashford *


not gonna happen but think that would be a killer front three
 

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Sancho - Werner - Rashford *


not gonna happen but think that would be a killer front three
Rashford would die on the right, he'd struggle with a striker would doesn't bring him to play like Martial does as well because he will constantly find himself deeper(it's poulsen who does this exact thing for Werner), one on one with the fullback and being the one who has to create.

Rashford to me is still a striker in our system that just operates wider & you can see it with how much freedom he has to get in to the box and make tap ins from the other side.

I really see no reason why Werner would ever join us anyway, makes zero sense for him.
 
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