Jack Grealish

[Pogue Mahone]

Why are we comparing Grealish and Bruno? There’s a far more obvious player in our squad he could upgrade. It’s not as though England’s midfield looks weak with Harry Winks as the only specialist central midfielder.

Play Fred (or McT) in the Winks role and play Bruno and Grealish ahead of him. Would be far too good for most midfields in the league.

 

[sammsky1]

Why are we comparing Grealish and Bruno? There’s a far more obvious player in our squad he could upgrade. It’s not as though England’s midfield looks weak with Harry Winks as the only specialist central midfielder.

Play Fred (or McT) in the Winks role and play Bruno and Grealish ahead of him. Would be far too good for most midfields in the league.

Swapping Pogba for Grealish looks like it would provide a serious upgrade in capability for us

 

[Mainoldo]

Ole wanted Grealish and yet Woody gave him VdB

I was wrong in my initial assessment of Grealish. He looks like a really creative and fun player and would really help us vs low block teams.

No shock you was wrong in judgement.

I think it was simply Grealish or Sancho and we picked Sancho.. Even though we ended up with either..

 

[Zen86]

Fantastic player. He would make such a big impact here I think. His versatility, confidence, and fight would be a huge asset.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Swapping Pogba for Grealish

I doubt Aston Villa would go for it.

 

[STYLOISRED]

Bruno is an extremely efficient footballer numbers wise. He scores a lot of goals and gets a lot of assists. Grealish is streets ahead of him in terms of technical ability though. People don’t seem to understand the difference between efficiency and technical footballing ability. Bruno wouldn’t get away with giving the ball away all the time playing for a team like Villa like he does at United.

Yea. Its not like he didn't break the goals contribution record for a midfielder playing in a much worse sporting team at the age of 24. Honestly the shit some people spew against our players baffles me. Grealish is a good ball carrier but he is nowhere near Bruno in productivity.

 

[The_Midfielder]

Yea. Its not like he didn't break the goals contribution record for a midfielder playing in a much worse sporting team at the age of 24. Honestly the shit some people spew against our players baffles me. Grealish is a good ball carrier but he is nowhere near Bruno in productivity.

Bruno is top 5 player in the PL right now.. He is as good as Mane/salah/Kdb.. Look at the numbers...
Is Grealish top 5 ?

 

[horsechoker]

Swap deal with Pogba, everyone wins.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Bruno is top 5 player in the PL right now.. He is as good as Mane/salah/Kdb.. Look at the numbers...
Is Grealish top 5 ?

Top 5 in Europe so far this season on whoscored

https://www.whoscored.com/Statistics

Its half decent for rating attacking players.

 

[STYLOISRED]

Bruno is top 5 player in the PL right now.. He is as good as Mane/salah/Kdb.. Look at the numbers...
Is Grealish top 5 ?

Which is my point. A common mistake i see among fans is confusing good dribbling with good technique. Technique is more than just dribbling. Watching the way Bruno executes some of his flicks and passes to open up space i don't know how someone can say Grealish is miles better.

 

[snk123]

Which is my point. A common mistake i see among fans is confusing good dribbling with good technique. Technique is more than just dribbling. Watching the way Bruno executes some of his flicks and passes to open up space i don't know how someone can say Grealish is miles better.

Dribbling is an extremely good indicator of "technique". It represents ball control. If a player has excellent ball control, chances are he's technically good at most other aspects as well. You can't find many examples of excellent dribbles & poor technical players.

 

[GledTheRed]

You know he's good when every game he plays in more or less goes through him.

 

[GledTheRed]

Sell Pogba in January and try for Jack.

 

[FootballHQ]

Sell Pogba in January and try for Jack.

You want him anytime soon you're going to have to pay similar fee to what Dortmund wanted for Sancho.

 

[elnorte]

You want him anytime soon you're going to have to pay similar fee to what Dortmund wanted for Sancho.

Objectively speaking, do you think he's worth that?

 

[GledTheRed]

You want him anytime soon you're going to have to pay similar fee to what Dortmund wanted for Sancho.

That is what you will demand no doubt.

 

[FootballHQ]

Objectively speaking, do you think he's worth that?

I don't think anyone in football alive is worth 100m but we lost realism on fees a long time ago.

Now we have Maguire moving for 80m, Joao Felix going to Atletico for over 100m and Wolves signing a 19 year old kid who'd played about 10 games for nearly 40m so shows the transfer climate of last few years.

If we'd gone down we'd have still been demanding 50m + for him. Since then he's signed new 5 year deal, finally started playing some games for England and is well on course to hit double figures in goals and assists in league if he avoids injury so I think that raises the price a fair bit.

Add in we're actually having a decent season for once and may be in europa shake up if it goes down to 7th and Jack's as fair away from leaving as he's ever been imo.

Of course two more years down the line and he'll be 27 and that's the next point he'll seriously think about his future but so much can change in next 24 months.

 

[MS4]

Why did not we get him? It's a real shame. As much as i like Donny but he wasn't the answer and is too good for the bench

 

[RedCurry]

Grealish is a great player when he plays on the left. But I don’t see him as an upgrade on any of our midfield positions.

 

[Trex]

What am I reading here,comparisons between Bruno and Grealish that only hapens on this platform, do u guys think football is only about close control, you guys need to go out and play football more often, Grealish is a player I really fancy, he has been immense for Villa in the last few season, but comparing him to a player riding under the pressure at Man utd and bossing it is silly,only De bruyne among creative midfielders rank higher and its only for titles people talk about Bruno weakness of giving the ball away like Grealish doesn't have weakness like overly hanging on the ball,do u think Grealish can work as hard off the ball as Bruno or lead Man united(he leads Villa but it's Villa ffs) with all the egos and personalities,Grealish is talented but Bruno is different class.period!

 

[Scroto Baggins]

You want him anytime soon you're going to have to pay similar fee to what Dortmund wanted for Sancho.

And this only if Grealish would want to leave Villa, which at the moment seems very unlikely.

 

[Kamprad]

I just heard this guy is actually the favourite player of my 10-year old swedish nephew. It used to be Messi and Ronaldo. So there shouldn’t be any marketing issues going forward. I had to ask him twice. Are you sure? Grealish? Aston Villa?? But apparently it’s true.

 

[Highfather_24]

Why are we comparing Grealish and Bruno? There’s a far more obvious player in our squad he could upgrade. It’s not as though England’s midfield looks weak with Harry Winks as the only specialist central midfielder.

Play Fred (or McT) in the Winks role and play Bruno and Grealish ahead of him. Would be far too good for most midfields in the league.

Winks and Mount play in a midfield 2 for England, with Grealish as the LW. In Aston Villa, Grealish also plays as a LW, although he can also play as an AM, like Bruno. So if Grealish comes here, his competition will be Rashford or Bruno. Maybe even Greenwood, if he can play on the right.

It will not be Pogba, who is playing as a CM in a midfield 2 for us. To replace Pogba, we need a player who can play in a midfield 2, like how Mason Mount was playing for England yesterday. Not Grealish, who is at his best closest to goal. Playing Grealish in a midfield 2 with Fred/McT will be a disaster, because Grealish is just as weak defensively as Pogba is, and because Fred/McT have shown they are not good enough to be playing as the sole anchor in midfield for us.

I hope we sell Pogba, get a proper CM in, and also get Grealish, so that we have some creativity from the wider areas. This would be a great and very well balanced team :

---------Philips--Fred
Mason--Bruno--Grealish
-------------Martial

Imo Grealish is a very good player, but not as good as Bruno. He is better than Rashford though.

 

[Dan_F]

Winks and Mount play in a midfield 2 for England, with Grealish as the LW. In Aston Villa, Grealish also plays as a LW, although he can also play as an AM, like Bruno. So if Grealish comes here, his competition will be Rashford or Bruno. Maybe even Greenwood, if he can play on the right.

It will not be Pogba, who is playing as a CM in a midfield 2 for us. To replace Pogba, we need a player who can play in a midfield 2, like how Mason Mount was playing for England yesterday. Not Grealish, who is at his best closest to goal. Playing Grealish in a midfield 2 with Fred/McT will be a disaster, because Grealish is just as weak defensively as Pogba is, and because Fred/McT have shown they are not good enough to be playing as the sole anchor in midfield for us.

I hope we sell Pogba, get a proper CM in, and also get Grealish, so that we have some creativity from the wider areas. This would be a great and very well balanced team :

---------Philips--Fred
Mason--Bruno--Grealish
-------------Martial

Imo Grealish is a very good player, but not as good as Bruno. He is better than Rashford though.

Completely agree with what you’re saying about the midfield, but he doesn’t replace Rashford on the left. Grealish was still playing in the Championship at Rashfords age, Marcus has scored winners/hat tricks in the Champions League.

There’s so much more to come from Rashford, it’s unbelievable that he’s only just turned 23 last month.

 

[Highfather_24]

Completely agree with what you’re saying about the midfield, but he doesn’t replace Rashford on the left. Grealish was still playing in the Championship at Rashfords age, Marcus has scored winners/hat tricks in the Champions League.

There’s so much more to come from Rashford, it’s unbelievable that he’s only just turned 23 last month.

I can agree with you on that. Rashford has another level or 2 to go up, while this is probably Grealish's peak. I was just speaking on current ability+ form and in terms of team balance, because both Rashford and Greenwood are forwards, while Grealish is more of a creative player. You can put either Rashford/Greenwood on the right side of that lineup though, and Grealish can just switch with either of them, as they are all smart and versatile players.

 

[Canagel]

You’d think Manchester United as the best team in the premier league they way we talk about other footballers. You’d also think Bruno Fernandes is Portugual’s best player the way we talk about him. Have some perspective. He is our best player and we are 14th.

Becuase this fanbase has a weird emotional attachment to **** heros and love to overhype them beyond their real status. Players that arnt really top level but we convince ourselves they are because we're emotionally attached.
Its the same emotional attachement that leaded us to hiring Solskjaer as manager with no real credentials. Another player that was never world class and never wanted by anyone but a **** hero.
A whole team/system has been built to accommodate Bruno and we're still a yoyo club. Unreliable.

Hes not even clear of Ziyech if we're being honest but Ill leave anyway to avoid further derailment of the thread

 

[Bale Bale Bale]

Bruno is top 5 player in the PL right now.. He is as good as Mane/salah/Kdb.. Look at the numbers...
Is Grealish top 5 ?

Because those numbers are massively inflated by penalties.

 

[GledTheRed]

Because those numbers are massively inflated by penalties.

Pens need scoring too.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I don't think anyone in football alive is worth 100m but we lost realism on fees a long time ago.

Now we have Maguire moving for 80m, Joao Felix going to Atletico for over 100m and Wolves signing a 19 year old kid who'd played about 10 games for nearly 40m so shows the transfer climate of last few years.

If we'd gone down we'd have still been demanding 50m + for him. Since then he's signed new 5 year deal, finally started playing some games for England and is well on course to hit double figures in goals and assists in league if he avoids injury so I think that raises the price a fair bit.

Add in we're actually having a decent season for once and may be in europa shake up if it goes down to 7th and Jack's as fair away from leaving as he's ever been imo.

Of course two more years down the line and he'll be 27 and that's the next point he'll seriously think about his future but so much can change in next 24 months.

15 league goals and 7 assists in 21 starting XI appearances for Benfica as 19 years old, what Felix did as 19 years old wasn’t anywhere near his full potential. Grealish is 6 years older and 25 years old should be the age where he started to show his prime means what he is doing right now is could be closed to his full potential. If you want to use excuse of Portuguese league, Grealish number when he was at Championship wasn’t even anywhere near Felix.

Grealish needs to produce minimum 30 goals involvement in the league for two seasons in a row (15 goals & 15 assists for example) in order to be considered as 80m-100m. He’s an attacker and attacker job is to produce end product and his end product has been limited in his whole career.

Maguire is a centre back should never be included in the discussion, centre back have their own value because unlike attackers, there are limits for top centre back out there.

 

[Bwuk]

Grealish is a leader too which is what this side lacks.

 

[DRM]

Won't come for anything under 90m. We should've signed him in the summer for 70m

 

[Dumbstar]

Pens need scoring too.

The unusual (yes unusual) high number of penalties Utd got last season skews everything. Utd finishing in top four even though quite clearly, as seen, they are far from a top four team. Ole seen as a useful, if not decent, manager thus keeping his job for longer than he should. And, of course, Bruno's contributions. He's a very good player I'll give you that but his stats need a heavy dose of context other than 'you need someone to score them'.

Disclaimer: I'm not complaining about any of the above. Long may it continue. 5 year deals for Ole and Pogba continuation hopefully.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Because those numbers are massively inflated by penalties.

He’s scored more goals than any other midfielder in the Premier League from open play since signing for United.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The unusual (yes unusual) high number of penalties Utd got last season skews everything. Utd finishing in top four even though quite clearly, as seen, they are far from a top four team. Ole seen as a useful, if not decent, manager thus keeping his job for longer than he should. And, of course, Bruno's contributions. He's a very good player I'll give you that but his stats need a heavy dose of context other than 'you need someone to score them'.

Disclaimer: I'm not complaining about any of the above. Long may it continue. 5 year deals for Ole and Pogba continuation hopefully.

Still as dull as ever.

 

[sullydnl]

Context for Bruno: With penalties, he has 22 goal involvements from his last 21 PL games. Excluding penalties, he still has 17 goal involvements from his last 21 PL games.

 

[andersj]

Grealish needs to produce minimum 30 goals involvement in the league for two seasons in a row (15 goals & 15 assists for example) in order to be considered as 80m-100m.

I understand your point. At the same time, last year he played for a team that had 41 goals in total. Anyone think that Bruno Fernandes or KdB would have 15 goals and 15 assists for that team?

This year they have a proper striker and Barkley, and he is already on 4 goals and 5 assists. At this rate, he will be on 15 goals and 15 assists before playing 2000 minutes.

Sometimes I think one should try to see if a player has potential to grow in a better team.

 

[Danny Roberts]

I can't stand his diving. If a defender touches your back that does not give you the right to go down. Most players do it but he is the worst. FFS play like a northerner (I'm trying to be modern and this is my version of "man", eg northern up). It's a contact sport after all.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I understand your point. At the same time, last year he played for a team that had 41 goals in total. Anyone think that Bruno Fernandes or KdB would have 15 goals and 15 assists for that team?

This year they have a proper striker and Barkley, and he is already on 4 goals and 5 assists. At this rate, he will be on 15 goals and 15 assists before playing 2000 minutes.

Sometimes I think one should try to see if a player has potential to grow in a better team.

Well, you didn’t understand the point.

City didn’t spend 80m on KDB and United didn’t spend 80m on Bruno either, so why would a team needs to spend 80m-100m on Grealish?

There is no guarantee that every player has potential to grow in a better team. That 80m-100m for an attacker is a money that should be spent on someone who can produce 30 goals per season contribution, otherwise there is a valid reason why his value should be less than 80m like how clubs paid on KDB & Bruno.

 

[Bale Bale Bale]

He’s scored more goals than any other midfielder in the Premier League from open play since signing for United.

I will take your word for that but it still doesn't really change my point.

Fernandes has 13 in 21 in the Premier League, 18 in 33 overall. Fantastic record.

Without penalties however it reads 7 in 21(PL), 7 in 33 overall. Much less impressive but still not bad for an attacking midfielder in a new league/team. The top attacking players might get around 15-20% of their goals from penalties, for Fernandes however it's a whopping 61% - a slight difference.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I will take your word for that but it still doesn't really change my point.

Fernandes has 13 in 21 in the Premier League, 18 in 33 overall. Fantastic record.

Without penalties however it reads 7 in 21(PL), 7 in 33 overall. Much less impressive but still not bad for an attacking midfielder in a new league/team. The top attacking players might get around 15-20% of their goals from penalties, for Fernandes however it's a whopping 61% - a slight difference.

By “much less impressive but still not bad” you actually mean “very impressive and better than any other midfielder in the league”, right? Because otherwise you may have missed my point.

His superb record with penalties is a bonus, obviously.