He isn't going to be disappointed at United- I can guarantee that. No one is going to be disappointed for not meeting the exorbitant prices quoted by selling clubs.
Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed
- Thread starter Damien
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
- Status
nah its a bit different this year - with two years left compared to three
if they don't sell him this year he'll have one year left next summer knowing he isn't signing a new deal
they want a sale
I've only ever seen him in YouTube videos and honestly can't make much out of those. Anyone who watches him regularly can give an account of his potential playing position, strengths?
Watching how dortmund negotiate in last few years, I really doubt lowballing is a right negotiation strategy with them. I don't know what business interest Glazers have in Europe but when it comes to negotiation I believe oil rich conglomerate have other leverages due to their vast european business reach. Finally, it is the negotiation between two owner entities, and if one party can offer some other business (legal) incentives then the price of one asset can be brought down and compensate with other mutual interests.
Otherwise 1) pay up the asking price, or 2) wait for the player to run down his contract
Otherwise 1) pay up the asking price, or 2) wait for the player to run down his contract
It is well known that club and player have a gentleman's agreement about the conditions of a transfer. As the name says, Sancho agreed to those conditions, that includes especially the price.
No it doesn't, all this says is the they are 20 Mills apart in valuation. So desperate for attention.Pretty much confirms my nonsense, no?Around 20M apart (90-70) and bonuses need to be agreed, too.
You think Dortmund and Sancho agreed on the terms of the transfer this summer? Absolutely no chance of that when you consider the variables
Agreeing personal terms with the player when we haven’t agree a fee with his club? Sounds like a tapping up
I would say BVB are just posturing at 70M euros and they’ll accept when it goes up to 80M euros. It’s almost a done dealio lads. Both sides and the player know this is done
I would say BVB are just posturing at 70M euros and they’ll accept when it goes up to 80M euros. It’s almost a done dealio lads. Both sides and the player know this is done
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
As they should!
Edit: it's starting to seem like the German press are being briefed to make BVB look strong before they accept £80 million
It pleases me that United are now dealing directly with Dortmund, and not through some shady intermediaries looking for cuts from both sides. This should speed the negotiations up much quicker
Considering he sulked for half the season this year, I’m going to say no.
If we agree a fee, can the medical be done whilst he's on international duty?
According to German media reports they agreed on a price (95m € guaranteed) and a deadline (at the date when he should start training for the new saison at Dortmund, he shall either stay or be gone). These are the set parameters that should not be expected to change. What seems less clear (and part of the discussion between the clubs) are the other variables - payment schedule, bonus payments etc. Dortmund might go down a bit on the guaranteed fee if there are interesting bonus payments agreed I think, but they will make sure to get their money for Sancho.
£80 million would be about €95 million, so exactly the amount that's been reported in Germany for weeks now, even before negotiations started. No need to brief the German press on that number now. If United pays that, they did not reduce the asking price Dortmund had from the beginning (let's not haggle about a million lost in daily changing conversion rates
)For reference this two weeks old article: https://sportbild.bild.de/bundeslig...zgrenze-fuer-jadon-sancho-76513084.sport.html
Last edited:
Gentlemen agreement with Dortmund - sure thing.
With United - no way on the fees. Probably on the wages.
Do you really think United had a Gentlemen agreement with Sancho to meet 120m valuation of Dortmund last year ? Sancho has nothing to do with that mate.
Technically, yes but unlikely during a tournament. South gate wouldn't give him permission.
I don't think the german press ever acknowledged an official bid last summer did they?
That means we are closer than we ever got last year. I can't see us failing this time around.
That means we are closer than we ever got last year. I can't see us failing this time around.
No agreement with United, but basically it appears to have gone like this:
Sancho: "I'd like to leave and go back to England"
Dortmund: "You are a good lad and have done well, we will be open for a transfer if you bring us a club who pays amount X until deadline Y for you"
Sancho: "That sound's fair, I'll go and find a club who is willing to do that"
And then he thought United would be that club and that saga failed horribly last year, might look different this year.
According to multiple sources, both clubs never even spoke directly.
Yeah, I believe that’s the truth.
Some journalists said we made a bid, but the german press were adamant that we didn’t if I remember correctly.
The whole Sancho saga was more of a meme then something people took serious in Germany last summer. I still fondly remember the Sky reporter standing in some urban area having nothing new to report and just mentioning that his German colleagues laughed at him when he tried to get some news. It did not appear like United had any serious interest in paying what Dortmund wanted and Dortmund had no serious interest to discuss terms United would have liked, so that whole story in Germany quite quickly went away.
Last year was literally this:
Dortmund: It’s €120m or nothing. Don’t even bother bidding if you are not serious about matching this.
United: Oh ok then.
Dortmund: It’s 120m, if United are going to sign him they have to pay this.
Dortmund: United must come up with a serious offer if they want to sign him.
Dortmund: We do not want to sell Sancho. Manchester a United cannot think that they will get him for cheap.
Dortmund: Our valuation is clear, United must offer this if they are to sign him.
Dortmund: We are not a selling club. It’s 120m or he stays.
Dortmund: United did not make the offer before our deadline, we do not want to sell him.
Dortmund: We we’re clear about the offer, it was up to United to offer 120m before the deadline and they did not do that. They cannot think he is going to move for less than that now.
Dortmund: No bid has been received, Sancho is not for sale.
Dortmund: We set his price and we have not received any offers.
Dortmund: United know what they need to pay.
Dortmund: United have not bid. They are not signing him, we are clear about this.
Dortmund: We have not received any bids and are totally fine with that.
Believe so.
I think we definitely tried to negotiate later in the window. If not it would make no sense why we wanted Dembele on loan just days before the window closed
The first two lines are accurate, but before any further quote from Dortmund you should insert a random english journalist asking about Sancho like a broken record, that was part of what made that saga so much more hilarious last summer.
we tried to negotiate where there's nothing to negotiate. They set a price and weren't willing to budge, and it'll be the same thing this year. We'll either end up paying exactly what they wanted day 1 or walk away.
If he is playing in a tournament that means he's already fit. Why is a separate medical required?
It would not be wise though. If he picks up a nasty injury during the competition that keeps him out for a very long time we would essentially be wasting our money. Best to do the medical after he’s done with the euros.
If you're spending that much money you want to be sure yourselves. A player could be carrying an injury or needing painkillers before every game because their knees are shot.
With United they'd most likely claim the final price after add-ons are included - that is what they did with Martial at least. Had been known publicly that his deal had a number of clauses in and only one was ever reached in time yet media still said we paid an absurd price.
Last season's thread is the biggest transfer thread by itself - has 10k more posts (54k total) than the Pogba one.
Why are there persistent social media arguments that selling Sancho means they'd not sell Haaland. Sancho was heading for the exit last summer, this isnt a sale to save money or raise money.
They are not tied together
They are not tied together
Imagine we don't sign him, don't extend Pogba's contract, don't sign Varane, don't sign Rice (not even rumoured tbf) and we realise at the end of the window that the Glazers do not, in fact give a F#ck. Overly negative or just what is to be expected based on the last 16 years?
Dude, ESPN sent a journalist to Germany at the end of the transfer window to report live from any new developments surrounding the Sancho transfer. The guy looked like somebody who came to a house party thinking everybody would wear costumes. The rumor was kept alive from the English side, Dortmund was simply giving the same answer to the never ending questions from British journos all the time and you pretend they did it proactively.
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
Dortmund: THE DEADLINE
I mean, I wouldn't mind it happening again. The video of the poor bloke was the highlight of the whole saga.
That's the thing everybody is conveniently ignoring. If Sancho was so adamanant on leaving, why would he agree to a slightly lower fee than the one which was already too high for United one year and significant financial losses ago?
It had to be clear to him and his agent that the possibility of nobody being able to meet Dortmund's demands is there.that's far more likely than the opposite happening tbf
Cause Dortmund don't wanna sell Haaland and have said that on record, that's why.
One player I'm happy we are signing due to desperately needing a right winger.
I do have my doubts about his ability to beat a man though, god I hope he proves me wrong.
I do have my doubts about his ability to beat a man though, god I hope he proves me wrong.
Last edited:
I'll give you 150million reasons why they would..... why on earth have they stuck an asking price out there then?
No club turns down 150m, when the most they'll get for the same asset in 12 months is 70m. Nope
I'm working off this assumption. There are already talks of a £20m gap in valuation and I cannot get my hopes up.16 times bitten, 32 times as shy?
I hate the Glazers as much as the next guy, but they’ve not been that neglectful of the squad.
Money has generally been made available, we’ve just had a big miss rate.
- Status