Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Still don't understand why we would spend so long negotiating agent fees / wages when we knew the price tag for Sancho and presumably knew we weren't willing to pay it.
Weird one.
Weird one.
I would assume they have something lined up in the background ready to go just in case - they don't seem to be run as poorly as we do
As you say though 2-3 days minimum to get a replacement sorted out quickly - they could even wait until january perhaps.
They've actually got 4-5 attacking players anyway so not even sure they'd be that desperate to replace him instantly.
Either we expected Dortmund to cave and lower the price, or they've just been pretending to be busy to act like they tried but never actually wanted to go ahead.
Perhaps with COVID seemingly like it's on the way up again we won't get fans back into OT any time soon and that's delayed things? it's hard to know.
Did we actually offer £120m staggered over years or have we always been haggling over the final price?
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That's the most sensible post on here. Well said
Ultimately, come October 6th - If he's with us i'll support him, if he's not then I could give a shit what he does.
But anyone getting off now I think will want to get back on soon. There will be another 'positive' update in the next week or so.
Any update yesterday was predictable. Him being in the team was predictable.
I don't think anything has changed. It's negotiation.
When it's definitely off, I'm sure United will be quick to brief that.
Sancho wants to join us. We're clearly a big club and miles bigger than Dortmund, for example. But we seem to be poorly run to not be able to afford Sancho despite our stature.
Compare Dortmund CL in the last 10 years with United, so claim is innacurate or a big lie, when it comes to result.
Of course United is bigger when it comes to money, brand and marketing, but in football results over this decade? I dont think so.
Dortmund won 2 leagues, 3 cups, 3 supercups, CL runners up, they were laughing with clubs like Madrid, City, Arsenal, Napoli, Ajax and almost everytime finished 1th in a "death group".
Dortmund is everything but some average club, they are elite club for the past 10 years, top 10-12 club in the world by quality for sure.
In terms of money, they are also far from being poor or something like that, in the past decade they spent more than 600M on transfers
Compare Dortmund CL in the last 10 years with United, so claim is innacurate or a big lie, when it comes to result.
Of course United is bigger when it comes to money, brand and marketing, but in football results over this decade? I dont think so.
Dortmund won 2 leagues, 3 cups, 3 supercups, CL runners up, they were laughing with clubs like Madrid, City, Arsenal, Napoli, Ajax and almost everytime finished 1th in a "death group".
Dortmund is everything but some average club, they are elite club for the past 10 years, top 10-12 club in the world by quality for sure.
In terms of money, they are also far from being poor or something like that, in the past decade they spent more than 600M on transfers
Yeah, I don't see this happening, I was skeptical anyway through most of this and said before the start I don't see the board paying 108 million in these uncertain times and will try for around 90 million. Seems United are trying something like that plus addons. The difficult thing is I don't see a better chance to get Sancho than now and it's looking like another fork in the road for club to stay as an also-ran.
Dortmund will happily keep Sancho for another year and go for the league and a run in the CL. They're not that desperate for money these days and are raising the clubs profile bit by bit
United can take the plunge and pay the 108m or not, Dortmund won't yield. If we genuinely can't pay due to covid and have discussed our max possible offer then fair enough.
Dortmund will happily keep Sancho for another year and go for the league and a run in the CL. They're not that desperate for money these days and are raising the clubs profile bit by bit
United can take the plunge and pay the 108m or not, Dortmund won't yield. If we genuinely can't pay due to covid and have discussed our max possible offer then fair enough.
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It sounds like they don't expect us to pay the fee they ask for at all so they're pretty sure he'll be a Dortmund player this season. No deal happening as far as they're concerned.
No idea if they will accept anything in the final week. I seriously doubt it tbh.
Don’t think anyone knows what’s gone on - that’s the problem.
I think our genius negotiators reckon we can steal him cheap late on - whereas Dortmund don’t want to sell late on as they won’t have a chance to get in replacements.....
classic example of why it’s good to talk......
Its actually £108m and it appears we've not offered that amount in a staggered scheme. It appears what we've offered is a total sum thats lesser than that, and already includes addons.
feck me. Saying that much but no substance. If you offer enough money, every player in the world is for sale.
Luckhurst is milking it. Yesterday he was saying its unlikely to happen now.
What i don't understand that we are the only side who is negotiating with Dortmund right now. So we have a free run at him. The price is well known since the start of August and here we are on the 15th of September just a few days before the league starts for us. Again with no proper right winger and no Plan B it seems. If we cannot afford him i understand that, but why waste so much time on him? I don't get it.
There's no negotiations and no bids so far. They want €120m and won't accept anything less. We simply don't want to pay that much (looks that way at the moment anyway). I doubt their stance will change, all up to us, but it looks like we may be considering other options now.
I think the most annoying part has been the lack of transfers outgoing, which could've been used to strengthen other areas we're lacking real quality.
If we pay full whack then don’t think we will ever be able to broker a deal again in the future - everyone will know that we just cave in and pay full asking price.......
any sensible strategy would have been to have lined up discussions and agreements in principle way in advance rather than what appears to be our usual chaotic approach as the window closes......
we never ever learn
any sensible strategy would have been to have lined up discussions and agreements in principle way in advance rather than what appears to be our usual chaotic approach as the window closes......
we never ever learn
What does that even mean?
He explains in the article how they're damned if they don't.. But not why they are damned if they do
Thanks. I'm even saving my FT in fantasy to get him in my team for gameweek 3.
This is doing the opposite of what I needed. I don't want to lose hope just yet, with three weeks still to go
Or just pay the asking price and see him lead our attack and team to levels we want and need to be competing at. Once we are a fixture at that level we will be attractive to players and they will force their way to us on our terms.
I don't think this is the player to take such a stance on, completely wrong timing on our part.
Ehhhhh.... some alright points here and there but it reeks of Mou fanboyism to be honest.
We broke the transfer record under him, splurged significant cash on Lukaku and offered the biggest contract we’ve ever dished out to another player. The reason they didn’t back him in 2018 is that they lost faith in him (rightly)
the biggest mistake they made was not sacking him that summer when he was clearly on the verge of total meltdown.
The Sancho thing is frustrating yes but we’re talking £100m in a global pandemic, it’s not going to be a straightforward deal.
Didn't we take a similar stance with Eden Hazard?
Look at what we missed out on there....
It seems that the deal is off and has been for a while. Dortmund won't sell after their communication to the public about deadlines and that Sancho is going to remain with them. They'd look like complete tits unless they have a plan to blame the player/agent and create a victim narrative which is unlikely imo.
Is anyone else getting a tired of the Jadon Sancho to Man Utd 'story' now? I put story in speech marks because it really doesn't feel like there's a genuine story here anymore. Its just the same old lines recycled over and over.
That went out of the window when Woodward told everyone how big our sack is
At this point, I rather we move on. We cant always looks like transfer mugs. I can see what Woodward and team have to drag it out. They want to show other clubs that they wont be taken for a ride or if they want to extract the highest price from United, there is a price to pay. We will drag out the negotiation for ever till its painful.
Worth keeping in mind that, bar Chelsea, this window has largely been a non-event. Dull as ditchwater with nothing much to report on.
This saga is keeping journos going with clicks. Just ignore it.
This saga is keeping journos going with clicks. Just ignore it.
Will the club put out a brief to say we are not interested in Sancho anymore when it comes to that point? Or will we just keep shut and hope this goes quietly away and cover up with a couple of new signings?
I don't get the feeling that it's off yet, too much effort already invested into this deal, the groundwork is all done, so if United put the right bid in, I think Dortmund would accept it.
That's where I think we are at.
Sancho wants the transfer, and I don't think that Dortmund are the type of club to stand in a player's way if their asking price is met.
Happy Bale Day !!
Hello admins. Is there any way to hide this thread so I can't see this anymore?
PS : This poor muppet can't take this anymore.
PS : This poor muppet can't take this anymore.
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You have to put the thread starter on ignore, that's one way of not seeing this thread.
There's a button on the top right hand side of the thread that says "Ignore thread". Not sure what happens if you press it; I've never tried.
There's a big flashy "ignore thread" button.
I think thread will be displayed in football section of the forum.
Sancho can still be for sale and it be unlikely that he will be sold. Luckhurst isn't milking anything.
Eg:
I have my car for sale. I want £500 for it. No one is offering me £500, only people are offering me £350. My car is still for sale but it's unlikely that I will sell for anything less.
Get over it and stop complaining about journalists doing their job.
What is it with this orgamsic obssession that the CAF has over club briefings?
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