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Just heard Jan Aage Fjortoft on ESPN - the guy is insufferable, and couldn't answer a straight question, instead kept rambling non-stop. What a nutcase!
100% agree with you on that, some people are just stealing for living...
 

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100% agree with you on that, some people are just stealing for living...
But still he miraculously has become a somehow official unofficial speaker for Dortmund here. You were warned, @do.ob said it many times, now there is a dissapointment. Which could have been prevented.
 

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I have wrote it before and repeat myself: Both ways would have been great: 120 Million to sign new players (in a defined deadline) or al least another season with Sancho. Now we got Sancho and don't have to sign someone in a hurry, and he knows the team, we know him and what he is cabable of. You can see it also like this: a lot of arrogant bitterness against BVB or posters here were always full of suggestions that BVB is only a selling club and prevent itself from being better (ignoring all the facts and history but ok..). Now those posters with this attitude can pat themself on the back, Dortmund is on the way to be able to follow those advises.
Dortmund is a selling club though. If not us, Sancho will be heading off to some other team in the near future(1-2 years). You have shown no indication in the past 5 years you can keep players of this quality.
 

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So today is the day he hands in a transfer request? Some bloke called Daniel Harris has said it but i don't know who he is
Did he mention it being today? Well he's been wrong before so I wouldn't trust him anyways.
 

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Dortmund is a selling club though. If not us, Sancho will be heading off to some other team in the near future(1-2 years). You have shown no indication in the past 5 years you can keep players of this quality.
Yeah, whatever mate :rolleyes: Thanks for keeping the quality of the discussion high. In the meantime i will enjoy watching good football.
 

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I'm not saying that that the deal is off and I'm not saying that things like these are not part of the business.

I'm just saying that I suffer with my club and I'm pissed when someone trying to make foul out of the club of my heart.

And It's not that I am praising Ed that much but I as a supporter am on his side on that one like with Dybala last summer when someone trying to twist our hands thinking we are some circus monkey and do whatever they are asking.
Ok mate you do you
 

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But still he miraculously has become a somehow official unofficial speaker for Dortmund here. You were warned, @do.ob said it many times, now there is a dissapointment. Which could have been prevented.
Dont speak too soon
 

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I really hope United sign Sancho and Dortmund know the club is not in a strong enough position to pass up this kind of opportunity. Woodward has the same reputation for savvy and acumen as Wile E. Coyote so I’m not surprised Dortmund are waiting for their asking price to be met.
 

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The problems with this running longer and longer towards October is Dortmund will become more insistent that Sancho isn’t leaving as it leaves them less time to sign a replacement and with us only being able to work on one deal at a time it means we’re doing no other business of any kind, based on last nights performance Sancho is a priority but we need to clear our deadwood so we’ve got cash for other areas too.
 

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Yeah, whatever mate :rolleyes: Thanks for keeping the quality of the discussion high. In the meantime i will enjoy watching good football.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend but for those who do not follow Dortmund regularly it does seem that way. Of the top of my head in the last 6-7 years, You've sold/lost Lewandowski, Mkhi, Gundogan, Gotze, Hummels, Ousmane Dembele, Pulisic, Kagawa, Aubameyang and I'm probably missing some more. Your model does seem like it relies on flipping players to a certain extent.
 

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Dont speak too soon
I think if at this moment there is someone who spoke too soon, its the twitter-Bs*itters and the crap english press, and not Zorc after the deadline they set. Thats the point.
 

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I think if at this moment there is someone who spoke too soon, its the twitter-Bs*itters and the crap english press, and not Zorc after the deadline they set. Thats the point.
Its the German press pressing the story buddy. Its the English press that has been the muppet killers.
I forgot how angry German fans get when a player is linked to England. Its baffling
 

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I think if at this moment there is someone who spoke too soon, its the twitter-Bs*itters and the crap english press, and not Zorc after the deadline they set. Thats the point.
That’s true - then again, Zorc has said the exact same thing about players you’ve went onto sell within weeks of him saying it.

The window is open until October 5th. A lot can happen yet.
 

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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend but for those who do not follow Dortmund regularly it does seem that way. Of the top of my head in the last 6-7 years, You've sold/lost Lewandowski, Mkhi, Gundogan, Gotze, Hummels, Ousmane Dembele, Pulisic, Kagawa, Aubameyang and I'm probably missing some more. Your model does seem like it relies on flipping players to a certain extent.
Yeah and ignoring all the development which has happened on exactly this way. In those times, with Lewandowski, or earlier with Götze and so on, those were different times. And in these times no one would have guessed that Dortmund is able to get a Haaland, get a Sancho and can enjoy him a few more years. And this is now the case. Slowly. Cause they are climbing up the ladder, just like the plan is. But thats a different debate, don't want to derail this thread. See you in the BuLi thread if you want to discuss this.
 

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I think if at this moment there is someone who spoke too soon, its the twitter-Bs*itters and the crap english press, and not Zorc after the deadline they set. Thats the point.
Most of the English press stated that United would not respect the deadline and have continued to say so. Twitter Bs*itters aside my point is just because Zorc has said the deal is dead do not count your chickens, he has said the same thing about transfers many times including Mhiki to United.
 

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He's obviously still coming. We've invested so much time, every journalist agrees too. I do think we'll end up paying basically the whole fee up front though, but I don't care. Find it so bizarre all the gloating Dortmund fans online, do they not know how Zorc operates? I've no idea why they're so confident.
 
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That’s true - then again, Zorc has said the exact same thing about players you’ve went onto sell within weeks of him saying it.

The window is open until October 5th. A lot can happen yet.
It was Watzke who said it about leaving all three players at once. Which then wasn't true, and was explained that it was cause of Mkhitaryan, who didn't keep his word. Which btw fits to the image Raiola has in here. But i can write and explain what i want, people will scratch after every little glimpse of hope, unitl Oktober. Do yourself a favor and let it go.
The facts have changed: Sancho got one more year contract, all the post about "hey yeah they have to sell they have to sell cause blabla" are nonsense, Sancho got more years of contract then we though. And Zorc made a clear statement. Your argument is even against you: Watzkes words of the past did hurt them a lot (proof: post like yours), and they never ever will make this error twice. If Zorc said Sancho is staying, after theyir own deadline, then Sancho will stay. I don't know where exactly this is rocket science. It isn't hard to understand isn't it?
 
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He's obviously still coming. We've invested so much time, every journalist agrees too. I do think we'll end up paying basically the whole fee up front though, but I don't care. Find it so bizarre all the gloating Dortmund fans online, do they not know how Zorc operates? I've no idea why they're so confidence.
As bitter as it sounds, at this point I'll gain about as much enjoyment from the transfer as I will rubbing it into these gloating cnuts if it happens. The German poster invasion any time we're linked to a Bundesliga player is something to behold.
 

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Anyone seen Dortmund’s latest tweet? They are taking the piss out of United once again.

With a combination of Kagawa, Micky, Haaland, Bellingham and now Sancho. They are making us looks like idiots.
 

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As bitter as it sounds, at this point I'll gain about as much enjoyment from the transfer as I will rubbing it into these bitter gloating cnuts if it happens. The German poster invasion any time we're linked to a Bundesliga player is something to behold.
They are all embarrassed that the best player in their league is English it seems.
 

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Anyone seen Dortmund’s latest tweet? They are taking the piss out of United once again.

With a combination of Kagawa, Micky, Haaland, Bellingham and now Sancho. They are making us looks like idiots.
We are preparing for a European semi final. They are busy posting silly tweets. What does that tell you about both clubs? I'm sure Jadon is most impressed.
 

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Yeah and ignoring all the development which has happened on exactly this way. In those times, with Lewandowski, or earlier with Götze and so on, those were different times. And in these times no one would have guessed that Dortmund is able to get a Haaland, get a Sancho and can enjoy him a few more years. And this is now the case. Slowly. Cause they are climbing up the ladder, just like the plan is. But thats a different debate, don't want to derail this thread. See you in the BuLi thread if you want to discuss this.
You get these players because you offer them first team football and you clearly have an agreement that players can get their big move if the price is right. Players and agents are not stupid. Development with first team football and Champions League, then the massive pay day arrives. Dortmund will and have always worked this way.
 

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Anyone seen Dortmund’s latest tweet? They are taking the piss out of United once again.

With a combination of Kagawa, Micky, Haaland, Bellingham and now Sancho. They are making us looks like idiots.
They want us to pay the money to shut them up. They're a selling club and they are trying to maximise the proceeds from this sale.

I can understand their position and would expect my club to do similar in the same circumstances.

Whether we are prepared to pay they money required, is the big unknown here. We can't afford €120m euros up front, but can we afford something that Dortmund would be willing to accept? We'll probably test the waters again in September.
 

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Woodward must regret saying "We can do things in the market that other clubs can only dream of!" a few years ago.

Such a stupid thing to say, gives selling clubs leverage. (No way would Dortmund ask any other club for £100m. They'd let Bayern have him for a cheese toastie, even if Bayern forgot the cheese) - but we never get a big deal done until the very brow of the transfer window.
 

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Woodward must regret saying "We can do things in the market that other clubs can only dream of!" a few years ago.

Such a stupid thing to say, gives selling clubs leverage. (No way would Dortmund ask any other club for £100m. They'd let Bayern have him for a cheese toastie, even if Bayern forgot the cheese) - but we never get a big deal done until the very brow of the transfer window.
He does regret it and has subsequently tried to row back from it. He remains a complete and utter clown.
 

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United: How much for Sancho?
BVB: 120. We don't want to sell, but we promised Jadon that we will if someone pays that.
United: Hmmm. We pay 50.
BVB: 120. You have time until 10.08. to pay or the deal is off.
United: 70. It's Corona-time. 120 is way too expensive, no one would ever pay that. We also don't care about your time limit or your feeder squad.
BVB: No.
United: Ok, we pay 100. 50 this year, 50 next year. You are a fecking selling club so stop trolling around.
BVB: No.
United: We pay 80. Another 40 if we win the UCL 3 times in a row and Sancho wins 3 Balon'Dor during that time.
BVB: No.

BVB: Time's up.
United: Ok ok, we pay 120, cash.
BVB: No. Time's up.

United: .... 130?
Haha, very good.
 

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If we do somehow snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and sign Sancho, I don't want any of you Dortmund posters piping up about how it's a 'win' to get the money and Zorc played us. Today has made it clear which you prefer between the money and the player ;)
I think, it is a win situation for BVB. Dortmund cannot lose.
If we sell for 120 Mio, we are used to it and we will move on. Maybe with the next player we have a chance to hold him a bit longer.
If he stays for another 3 years and we get nothing, we had him for 3 more years and that would be amazing for us as well.
Everything inbetween is as good as well.
 
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I don't know, an offer that is 1000% of Dortmunds investment can imo be considered a good offer. Which would be 80m. I don't think Dortmund would go bankrupt, hell they even would have plenty of cash to spare after acquiring a replacement. United could afford it even in Covid times, Sancho would get his move, everyone would be happy.

I don't see why it must be 120m, or why they hire an intermediary and try to make United pay him on top of that. That just doesn't seem like respecting the players wishes but really only Dortmunds own interest.

As I said, Dembele had to go on strike as clearly Dortmund were not holding up their end of the bargain, same as now.
Seriously? Dortmund has communicated with the player that he can move if sum x is paid, apparently 120m. That was the bargain. How on earth are they not holding up their end of that bargain?

Instead, you expect them to sell for 40m less than they bargained with him because of Covid. Why should Dortmund be the party to renounce so that United and Sancho can have their ways?Honestly, if they sold Sancho for 80m now that would be criminal mismanagement given that they can sell him for 120m next year in a recovered market. There is absolutely zero economic reason to do such a thing and they probably had to explain to their shareholders why they do such a dumb thing with their investment.

I'm sorry, but you're just trying to find a scapegoat.
 
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