E-mal
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I am tired of the financial analysis and the banter with Dortmund fans, just sign the fecker or move to other targets.
Yeah I'm pretty much at this point too.Lost interest in this transfer saga pretty quickly. If he signs he signs, if he doesn't good luck to him.
Hope the board spends some time looking at other targets because we need to improve in a lot of positions.
Secretly extending his deal by a mighty one year to protect his value and promising to sell him for a fee the next year. Outstanding. Well done. What long term ambition you’ve shown. And this club has spent the third highest amount in football over the last 7 years...yes the Glaziers milk us but spending money hasn’t been the issue...spending it exceptionally poorly without any strategy and going from one poorly chosen manager to the next has been the problem.You mean by secretly making a new extended contract for players like Sancho and watching desperate clubs like United senselessly wanting him? And if you didn't recognize your own club since a decade, its ambition is to fill the pockets of the Woodward and the Glazers, not to develop itself and present the world great football or win anything. If this would be the case, they would have given you a modern structure to compete.
And i can imagine what we do if at some point we decide to sell Sancho: Got the next Sancho already in place, playing great football, and waiting for a still desperate being EL United to come in and beg for him. Cause you know:
I think the difference is that a good proportion of your revenue comes from transfer fees, am I right in suggesting that?Do you honestly think United's numbers will be any better? For 2019 matchday revenue even made up a slightly higher percentage of United's annual revenue (17% vs 16%) and almost exactly double in total numbers. Everyone is fecked, everonye will make losses, everyone will take on new debt.
Ah, another poster with true deep knowledge about a club he barly knows. Adding "Bayern had to save them" into the top tier of the likes of "desperate to sell" and "only posturing". I guess it is fighting head to head with "the norwegian pundit is somehow their official speaker" for the the first place of BS-bingo.Yeah its not like BVB almost went bankrupt before and Bayern had to save them...oh wait
Senselessly wanting himYou mean by secretly making a new extended contract for players like Sancho and watching desperate clubs like United senselessly wanting him?
We have a bigger pie though. All of our tractor sponsors are coming into play and we have CL next year which boosts our coffers even further.Do you honestly think United's numbers will be any better? For 2019 matchday revenue even made up a slightly higher percentage of United's annual revenue (17% vs 16%) and almost exactly double in total numbers. Everyone is fecked, everonye will make losses, everyone will take on new debt.
You seem like you need a big hug. Awwww, I'll give you one if you wantAh, another poster with true deep knowledge about a club he barly knows. Adding "Bayern had to save them" into the top tier of the likes of "desperate to sell" and "only posturing". I guess it is fighting head to head with "the norwegian pundit is somehow their official speaker" for the the first place of BS-bingo.
I agree. Once i got huge respect for United, no personal toy like City or Chelski and a history which proofs good work at a football club. But from what i have seen here, such disrespect, for the players, for the clubs work developing into a european powerhouse from being nearly bancrupt... I spotet such arrogance, spining clear messages and informations into delusional guesses, that i have to revisit my image of United. And the good work in football is also long gone, whats left is a folkore about the past and the selfimage that United can still do what they want and don't have to earn or work for anything. A lot of posters tried to provide this thread with true and honest intelligent contributions, but where never heard or even honored with a smart debate, they were attacked. Good luck with that attitude. At least, some can get some comedy out of this thread.Secretly extending his deal by a mighty one year to protect his value and promising to sell him for a fee the next year. Outstanding. Well done. What long term ambition you’ve shown. And this club has spent the third highest amount in football over the last 7 years...yes the Glaziers milk us but spending money hasn’t been the issue...spending it exceptionally poorly without any strategy and going from one poorly chosen manager to the next has been the problem.
I do agree though that when you sell Sancho you’ll snap up some highly talented 18 year old that you can sell on in a few years time all while you once again win nothing. I love watching Dortmund play and have huge respect for them as a club. There have definitely been a few posts in this place over recent days that are making me rethink that though...it’s like you’ve all looked at what GlastonSpurs did for Tottenham PR on here and are trying to top it.
And you are probable one of the reason why so many ManUtd fans shit on Dortmund, maybe good chance they don't believe what they post but it's all in the name of "winding up".I agree. Once i got huge respect for United, no personal toy like City or Chelski and a history which proofs good work at a football club. But from what i have seen here, such disrespect, for the players, for the clubs work developing into a european powerhouse from being nearly bancrupt... I spotet such arrogance, spining clear messages and informations into delusional guesses, that i have to revisit my image of United. And the good work in football is also long gone, whats left is a folkore about the past and the selfimage that United can still do what they want and don't have to earn or work for anything. A lot of posters tried to provide this thread with true and honest intelligent contributions, but where never heard or even honored with a smart debate, they were attacked. Good luck with that attitude. At least, some can get some comedy out of this thread.
dortmun. The southampton of Europe.I agree. Once i got huge respect for United, no personal toy like City or Chelski and a history which proofs good work at a football club. But from what i have seen here, such disrespect, for the players, for the clubs work developing into a european powerhouse from being nearly bancrupt... I spotet such arrogance, spining clear messages and informations into delusional guesses, that i have to revisit my image of United. And the good work in football is also long gone, whats left is a folkore about the past and the selfimage that United can still do what they want and don't have to earn or work for anything. A lot of posters tried to provide this thread with true and honest intelligent contributions, but where never heard or even honored with a smart debate, they were attacked. Good luck with that attitude. At least, some can get some comedy out of this thread.
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Brace up fellas, we're probably just a couple of posts away from a full blown meltdown.I agree. Once i got huge respect for United, no personal toy like City or Chelski and a history which proofs good work at a football club. But from what i have seen here, such disrespect, for the players, for the clubs work developing into a european powerhouse from being nearly bancrupt... I spotet such arrogance, spining clear messages and informations into delusional guesses, that i have to revisit my image of United. And the good work in football is also long gone, whats left is a folkore about the past and the selfimage that United can still do what they want and don't have to earn or work for anything. A lot of posters tried to provide this thread with true and honest intelligent contributions, but where never heard or even honored with a smart debate, they were attacked. Good luck with that attitude. At least, some can get some comedy out of this thread.
To be fair,you're also posting shite about a club you have no idea about .Ah, another poster with true deep knowledge about a club he barly knows. Adding "Bayern had to save them" into the top tier of the likes of "desperate to sell" and "only posturing". I guess it is fighting head to head with "the norwegian pundit is somehow their official speaker" for the the first place of BS-bingo.
We have to battle with our own fans, so I have sympathy for you here. HahahaI agree. Once i got huge respect for United, no personal toy like City or Chelski and a history which proofs good work at a football club. But from what i have seen here, such disrespect, for the players, for the clubs work developing into a european powerhouse from being nearly bancrupt... I spotet such arrogance, spining clear messages and informations into delusional guesses, that i have to revisit my image of United. And the good work in football is also long gone, whats left is a folkore about the past and the selfimage that United can still do what they want and don't have to earn or work for anything. A lot of posters tried to provide this thread with true and honest intelligent contributions, but where never heard or even honored with a smart debate, they were attacked. Good luck with that attitude. At least, some can get some comedy out of this thread.
Exactly so paying big money doesnt mean it will work out. Its not just a Barca issueHe's 20 and adapting to a new league and tougher opposition. He has plenty of time to succeed.
Jeez calm down. If you think this is bad, you should've seen the Pogba thread when we signed him.I agree. Once i got huge respect for United, no personal toy like City or Chelski and a history which proofs good work at a football club. But from what i have seen here, such disrespect, for the players, for the clubs work developing into a european powerhouse from being nearly bancrupt... I spotet such arrogance, spining clear messages and informations into delusional guesses, that i have to revisit my image of United. And the good work in football is also long gone, whats left is a folkore about the past and the selfimage that United can still do what they want and don't have to earn or work for anything. A lot of posters tried to provide this thread with true and honest intelligent contributions, but where never heard or even honored with a smart debate, they were attacked. Good luck with that attitude. At least, some can get some comedy out of this thread.
I'd still go for Sancho. We saw with RVP and Bruno that signing a quality attacker can mask a teams deficiencies and make up for gaps in quality elsewhere. The hole would still need to be fixed, but can be done at a later date.After yesterday's game, I'd much rather we divert the massive funds this transfer would require towards signing a top class attacking left back and a Matic replacement. Sancho wouldn't magically fix all of our problems.
I've taken the numbers from Deloitte, as far as I know they don't include transfer earnings in revenue. Dortmund have been run fairly conservatively under Watzke, which sort of comes in handy now, as they should have a relatively easy time getting loans to ensure liquidity during this crisis. This is what he meant, when Watzke said today that they can last a while, that statement was about survival, not a declaration of attack to whomever.I think the difference is that a good proportion of your revenue comes from transfer fees, am I right in suggesting that?
Anyway he is your player and you can demand what you want for him. If we can afford it by all means do it. If we can't move to other targets.
What if I told you that if you have a bigger pie people also take bigger slices, differently sized wage bills being an example. Clubs that have considerably higher revenue also committed to considerably higher spending. From rich to poor, every club is fecked, the only question is how hard.We have a bigger pie though. All of our tractor sponsors are coming into play and we have CL next year which boosts our coffers even further.
Of course everybody is hurting, its why the German fans saying wait a year for a magical auction is constantly laughed off from here.
To be honest I sympathise with you.. some posters here have a childish reaction if any other club is not rolling over and giving them their new toy. Dortmund is perfectly in their rights to try any negotiating strategy with respect to Sancho. But educate yourself about United. Its one of the only big clubs in England developing their own players from academy and young talented players from abroad.I agree. Once i got huge respect for United, no personal toy like City or Chelski and a history which proofs good work at a football club. But from what i have seen here, such disrespect, for the players, for the clubs work developing into a european powerhouse from being nearly bancrupt... I spotet such arrogance, spining clear messages and informations into delusional guesses, that i have to revisit my image of United. And the good work in football is also long gone, whats left is a folkore about the past and the selfimage that United can still do what they want and don't have to earn or work for anything. A lot of posters tried to provide this thread with true and honest intelligent contributions, but where never heard or even honored with a smart debate, they were attacked. Good luck with that attitude. At least, some can get some comedy out of this thread.
Absolutely. But I believe they are implying sancho without specifically saying his name.Worth pointing out they're not actually mentioning Sancho here. Kaveh is just chucking his name in the middle of two quotes.
I live 2 km from the german border. I went to german private School as a child. Back then it was either bvb or Bayern. I was quite the outlier as a fan of United. I still remember the rage in 1998 from both Bayern and bvb fans. (Which always puzzled me)Ah, another poster with true deep knowledge about a club he barly knows. Adding "Bayern had to save them" into the top tier of the likes of "desperate to sell" and "only posturing". I guess it is fighting head to head with "the norwegian pundit is somehow their official speaker" for the the first place of BS-bingo.
Surely you mean 1999, unless they were just really angry at Monaco for knocking us out, for some reason.I live 2 km from the german border. I went to german private School as a child. Back then it was either bvb or Bayern. I was quite the outlier as a fan of United. I still remember the rage in 1998 from both Bayern and bvb fans. (Which always puzzled me)
Some of my closest rl friends have been fans of those clubs their entire lives and I have been following the Buli since childhood along side the Premier League I just never supported a German side as a fan. So yes I do know a lot about bvb and their history the last 3 dechades. And yes Bayern ended up helping out bvb financially and essentially saving bvb from bankruptcy.
If you didn’t even know that you should probably stop calling others clueless.
99 yes. My fingers and the iPhone keyboard are a bad mix :bSurely you mean 1999, unless they were just really angry at Monaco for knocking us out, for some reason.
They warned share holders about an expected loss of €45m at the end of June. This isn't some unexpected revelation. Anyone with half a brain knew the club would be hit.I wonder if they were waiting to release financials before they sell so the club can turn around and say, we had to sell...
They won't. When Sancho signs they will be gone until the next transfer saga from Dortmund.What sort of half garbage are you spouting? You don't know all or any of that. As for Sancho, we'll check back after October 5th, or anytime when the deal is done. Fair enough that you think it isn't going to happen, but i do. We'll see. Your club needs the money
According to one of their recent quarterly reports they stated that income from player departures remains a key part of their finance model. It’s a bit hard to believe that a club that relies on raising money through player sales is also liquid and robust enough to suck up a £45m deficit while refusing offers in excess of £90m. That’s just plain negligence.They warned share holders about an expected loss of €45m at the end of June. This isn't some unexpected revelation. Anyone with half a brain knew the club would be posting losses.
Williams isn't our first choice LB though. So why base it on yesterday?After yesterday's game, I'd much rather we divert the massive funds this transfer would require towards signing a top class attacking left back and a Matic replacement. Sancho wouldn't magically fix all of our problems.
Because Shaw cannot stay fit for any length of time, so Williams will inevitably end up playing way too many games for someone as poor as he is.Williams isn't our first choice LB though. So why base it on yesterday?