It was the Three Amigos if I remember correctly. And United distanced themselves as soon as there was no deal. Even though we know clubs do deal with such intermediaries, like with the Sancho situation. Gives the clubs deniability I guess.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Looking at his team up with Nike today for his signature boots, I really think he’s gonna be the next big thing on a marketing standpoint as well as his chances of it on the field too. At this point it’s not whether we can afford him, it’s whether we can afford to miss out on him.
Will make the club a fortune
(Hoping that will appeal to Ed haha )
Will make the club a fortune
(Hoping that will appeal to Ed haha )
It's the same as the Maguire situation, we had to wait until the Lukaku sale was properly agreed before putting the official offer in. We'll be waiting for the Smalling sale and maybe one or two others first before putting the amount they're asking for on the table.
I think next week - 10 days are crucial. If we can get rid of a couple players we’ll have enough funds to get Sancho in while not jeopardizing other transfer targets too.
Ole has given enough hints about what he thinks about our bench with his numerous late substitutions.
I think we’ll see 3 players come in. If Sancho’s one of them, the other two won’t be any star players.
Ole has given enough hints about what he thinks about our bench with his numerous late substitutions.
I think we’ll see 3 players come in. If Sancho’s one of them, the other two won’t be any star players.
Yes, one and the same.
Woodward's first summer in charge of transfers - told Moyes at various points that he was getting him Ronaldo, Fabregas, Bale and Herrera... ended up buying him Fellaini.
An absolute farce that should have seen Ed immediately fired (ideally from a cannon).
"Aim for the moon. And if you fail, you will still end up buying Fellaini" - unknown proverb
the shitstorm
I think you (and a couple of others) are still completely misjudging the situation. Dortmund obviously won't accept an offer anymore and the only way this still happens is if Sancho forces his way out. And the chances of that happening look incredible slim.
I don`t see how we get 3 signings and still achieve a net spend of 50m unless we get seriously over inflated fees for our deadwood or we sold Pogba. Can see it being only Sancho. If we are very lucky an Andy Robertson esque signing in defence as well. Definitely won`t be 3 signings.
@Random TaskSo the most meaningful progress on today's Sancho's news is we have a new kind of muppet?
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The Homeowner Muppet
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When they get the offer they desire they will obviously still sell.
The fact that it's being briefed the club are still negotiating points to the contrary. The judgement your conveying in your post is more a personal opinion. If ANY club for that matter pays Dortmund 120 million Sancho is as good as gone.
Well, not quite. He gave him the opportunity to sign Thiago, but Moyes OPTED for Fellaini. Let's not rewrite history.
Christ you're full of shit....
I agree that this is the most likely situation. I also think that United not briefing the press that their pursuit is over is not a meaningful indication of anything. In Woodward's shoes, it would be silly to do that for two reasons. First, he can't know for sure that Dortmund will not relent, so there is no reason to foreclose that possibility. Second, if you are pursuing other targets now and engaging in discussions with other clubs, it is far more advantageous for those other clubs to believe that you are still in for Sancho, and therefore really can't pay over the odds in any other deal, than for those other clubs to know that you've largely given up on Sancho and have 100m to spend on other players. Woodward may be a poor transfer negotiator but he's not a total moron.
Thanks.
It's not always easy to identify the right type of response to users that struggle with delusional thinking. Given the claim, United fueling the fire with their ridiculous press briefings when it comes to these transfer sagas, i expected decent examples rather than more make-believe
no they wont.
Zorc and Watzke have said that Sancho is staying and they said in a way that they can't walk that back.
You have to pay attention to what people say and how they say it. If they now sell then Dortmund fans will be rightfully pissed and their credibility and integrity completely shot and for what? Just to bluff and get a couple extra million? It makes absolutely no sense.
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Terrible negotiator, she has already said she is willing to pay £64.95. I'd have started with an offer of £20.
Just think, were it not for Moyes and Vangle we could have had Thiago and Kroos as some of our CM options in the last seven years.
I don’t understand where all of this talk about instalments has come from? Haven’t most deals in the whole of football been done in instalments? I was under the impression things are rarely done up front which is why when they are, see Maguire/Ronaldo etc, then it gets mentioned.
He doesn't come out of it with much credit, either. Serious failings all round.
Yeah most deals are spread over 3 years minimum to help with ffp and secure more signings in one transfer window.
I was led to believe the same thing.
Yeah, it's totally normal but people will ignore that to beat United with some imagined stick.
I still find it hard to comprehend we had Fellani at Utd. And for so long as well. He wore his heart on his sleeve and gave everything he had but he was nowhere near Man Utd quality. You could never in a million years imagine him in a Barca, Madrid, City, Liverpool team!
Our midfield was never going to be fixed until he was no longer a part of it.
I said it before during his time here, I really do not care for this 'wear your heart on your sleeve and give everything you have for the cause' type of player. If you're not good enough, you don't have a place here in my opinion.
All the players in our past that we usually describe as this sort of player were also pretty damn good. Trying hard wasn't their only quality. I have no time for players who only bring that to the table.
When was the last positive update? I've been trawling Twitter for days, looking for positive updates, even from shite sources. It's either silence or justification from British Journos as to why United are struggling to pay.
Yeah I never understood that argument that he gives everything when he plays.
I’m a passionate Utd fan and I would give everything on the pitch too. I’d give blood, sweat and tears for Utd. But I’d be bloody shit.
Give their fans some credit. If the club books a hundred million profit to improve their finances, avoid redundancies, and strengthen their squad in several positions, I think their fans will forgive them.
So after following this whole saga more often and frequently than is healthy for a human, ill give you a summary of where we’re at according to reports.
- Dortmund are still adamant that they want 120m euros or else he stays. They are still playing hard ball that he’s no longer leaving. This has been taken as a stance that you either pay what we’re asking for or he stays. I think it’s pretty accepted that they are serious and are unlikely to move much on the price.
- Utd are still in negotiations and still trying to do a deal for Sancho but are reluctant to pay the asking price and want to negotiate the price and structure. There has also been frustration that they are unable to negotiate directly with Dortmund are having to do so through the agent Lichtensteiner. Utd are probably reluctant to go through him because there will naturally be further fees that this middle man will be due which will come down to another battle of who and how much is paid to this guy.
- The general consensus is that Sancho wants to come and that personal terms won’t really be a big obstacle contrary to recent reports. However he’s not going to agitate for a move and is happy to move if an offer comes in that Dortmund are happy with.
- The recent addition is that the only thing holding up the deal now is Joel Glazers reluctance to sanction that amount of money for the transfer. Apparently ole, Woodward and the senior leadership team are in agreement that the player is worth the investment. Now this could be a genuine obstacle or it could be another neogitation tactic by united to make it appear they may not follow through with a big money offer if Dortmund don’t reduce their demands. There’s also reports that the middle agents fees are excessive which Utd aren’t willing to pay.
ultimately, it’s going to come down to whether the Glazers are happy to sanction the deal. Everyone else in the club is happy for the transfer to take place and they understand he would be well worth the investment.
Of course this is all based on reports that have come out and myself trying to read between the lines. There’s definitely still a strong possibility of the transfer taking place. If there wasn’t then negotiations would have ended long ago.
Personally I’m still of the opinion that the transfer will eventually take place and that we won’t manage to negotiate down on the price much if any at all. Similar to how Macguire and Bruno negotiations took place.
There were similar reports around the Bruno deal where Joel was apparently reluctant to sign it off.
I do think it will happen but may drag out for another few weeks as the Glazers will do everything in their power to drive the price down as it is still at the starting price from what we know.
If Utd were given the same views internally, they wouldn’t be sat at the negotiating table right now. Lichtenstenier is an agent that Dortmund appointed, not Utd. If there was no chance of a transfer, don’t you think Dortmund would have told their agent to pull out of negotiations? It wouldn’t make sense for him to continue discussions.
Dortmund have said he’s staying to show their intent on getting the full price they are asking for. If the price gets met, Sancho will move.
Quality post and summary. Puts it all in perspective neatly with all the known facts of the situation so far.
I still think it'll happen too but not until we start seeing some outgoings first. It'll be an easier pill to swallow for the Glazers once we have a bit of money coming. It's a worthy investment that will improve the squad and more than likely retain good value over the next few years
Yeah of course this is just based on trying to seperate the facts from the fiction from the reports we get from the press. When we’ve got multiple tier 1 journalists contradicting each other, us mere mortals have got no chance. But we can only look at the facts which are:-
- Utd are still negotiating the deal. If the deal was dead their wouldn’t be any negotiations.
- Dortmund would be happy to sell at their asking price. If that wasn’t the case, they wouldn’t still have their agent talking to us.
- Sancho would be happy to move to us.
- It’s not guaranteed he’s staying as it would be very easy for him to come out and say he is doing so even if it’s for one season only.
- Based on the facts above which are difficult to argue against, we can use our logic to believe there is absolutely a chance of the deal being done.
It will just come down to whether all the boxes can be ticked by both parties.
The only reason this transfer won’t happen is if Utd pull out. No other reason. Until Utd dont officially pull out, this transfer is still on.
Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if a deal was even agreed but both parties are waiting to ship players out or Dortmund trying to get a replacement in first before announcing any agreement. The last thing Dortmund will want is for clubs to know they’re about to get a shed load of money.
That's cute Nora, but when you buy the home shirt with a credit card, you can do exactly that if you like.
Apart from the fact that none of these articles back up your ludicrous claim:
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