Yeah fecking idiots having a long term plan. Absolute nutters
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If people are this unhappy, I do wonder why the bother supporting Utd and surely they'd be happier up the road....?
Long term plans are for rough diamonds, academy kids, obscure player's you've scouted for your system of play.
Not a kid going for 140 million that every elite club in Europe is looking at.
I guarantee not every elite club in Europe will be looking at Sancho next summer. At an absolute maximum it'll be 4, 3 from England and maybe Bayern and I doubt they'll be able to afford him (as will be the case for all the rest)
Think he's got a point, right feck the daughters wedding and lad going uni next year. I'm blowing the lot down the casino tonight and gambling it. If I win great, if I don't....feck um.
I think we will get Sancho next summer personally, and I am also massively positive about our future. I think Ole is the right man for the job and we are going places in the next few years.
It’s highly likely that work has already begun with regards to Sancho’s transfer. He was reported as a top target while ago, he was reported to wanting to come to United first and foremost when he returns to England, and Dortmund were very vocal in that he wouldn’t go ‘this year’. Words have obviously been had with his camp, and contrary to caf and media consensus, we are likely not less clever than the average poster on here. If we have an open dialogue and he wants to join us but the timing was not right, I have no issue with us coming back next year.
With the young squad we are building, I think we are literally two key additions away from having the next Manchester United side to fight for the CL. That will take 2 or 3 years, but great visions do, and from what I’ve seen this summer, the groundwork has begun. I can see an attacking group in 3 years of Rashford, Martial, Sancho, Greenwood, Chong and James - all fast, capable of playing different roles and will have grown together.
I don’t know if Pogba will be here, but a 21/22 year old Gomes, a new defensive midfielder and a settled defence, with maybe a new left back. The team will have been drilled in the right ethos and grown up together.
I think we’re going places, although it may not be the instant success some want, it will hopefully be the lasting success we have craved. The group of young players we have look genuinely world class potentially. Add Sancho, a left back and another midfielder and we will be right up there.
It’s highly likely that work has already begun with regards to Sancho’s transfer. He was reported as a top target while ago, he was reported to wanting to come to United first and foremost when he returns to England, and Dortmund were very vocal in that he wouldn’t go ‘this year’. Words have obviously been had with his camp, and contrary to caf and media consensus, we are likely not less clever than the average poster on here. If we have an open dialogue and he wants to join us but the timing was not right, I have no issue with us coming back next year.
With the young squad we are building, I think we are literally two key additions away from having the next Manchester United side to fight for the CL. That will take 2 or 3 years, but great visions do, and from what I’ve seen this summer, the groundwork has begun. I can see an attacking group in 3 years of Rashford, Martial, Sancho, Greenwood, Chong and James - all fast, capable of playing different roles and will have grown together.
I don’t know if Pogba will be here, but a 21/22 year old Gomes, a new defensive midfielder and a settled defence, with maybe a new left back. The team will have been drilled in the right ethos and grown up together.
I think we’re going places, although it may not be the instant success some want, it will hopefully be the lasting success we have craved. The group of young players we have look genuinely world class potentially. Add Sancho, a left back and another midfielder and we will be right up there.
If we can sign him or Chiesa next summer along with a quality midfielder, we will look a in great shape IMO.
I think we'll make top 4 as long as our keeper doesn't repeat his catalogue of blunders which let Spurs off the hook.
I think we'll make top 4 as long as our keeper doesn't repeat his catalogue of blunders which let Spurs off the hook.
Agree. Didn't see many tug of war going for many players this window. Only 4% of teams in world football can pay above 100m for a player. The same names are on the list and FFP means even even half of them would struggle.
I'm sure there's been dialogue between United and Sancho, by all accounts the deal was done until Sancho had second thoughts due to how we finished last season. If the club have a target and know he's willing to come then I'd 100% they rather wait for him then splash 70m on someone like Pepe
That's just me though, others want quick fixes and aren't prepared to wait
Of course future transfers are part of a long term plan for feck sake.
I think waiting for the right player is the best policy. Liverpool did the same with VVD after tapping him up for months. We've been in talks with Sancho's camp for some time now according to some very reputable journos and nearly signed him from City when he left them under a cloud a few years ago.
Two more quality signings (Sancho and CM) and we will look a very strong team.
United should watch him until Decemeber and if they think he is the man then we should move for him during this winter window and should come to an agreement with Dortmund and Sancho to sign him in Summer 2020.
This is the only way we can sign him. If Woodward does the way he usually does ie to start negotiations in July 2020, I see him not joining us. If he has same kind of season, City (Sane replacement), Liverpool , PSG, Madrid will be defenitely fight for his signature and we stand no chance against these teams.
This is the only way we can sign him. If Woodward does the way he usually does ie to start negotiations in July 2020, I see him not joining us. If he has same kind of season, City (Sane replacement), Liverpool , PSG, Madrid will be defenitely fight for his signature and we stand no chance against these teams.
I think we have shown multiple occasions we have no such successful long term planning though
Me too. In life quick fixes are rarely the answer and the reason we have a bloated squad is partly that reason. Better you wait for the right player that fits the profile than be stuck with another player on 7m a year wages that you can't shift for 3 years. Jose shot himself in the foot, you can't just buy players one year and then the next say they aren't good enough. You just end up with 5 CB's at the club and the board rightly aren't giving you money for a sixth....
Let's hope so! If we were to finish outside of the top 4 again we may find it a touch difficult to attract the level of player we want!
What if we finish 6th again, do you think he’d want to join us?
We found it difficult enough this summer, let alone next year
No chance.
Not historically no, got to keep faith the tide is turning thoughI think we have shown multiple occasions we have no such successful long term planning though
I've already answered that question
I agree totally with you, if indeed that is how it is being planned...
However, that remains to be seen.
Forgive me, but who said the deal was the deal was all but done?? Not heard that before!
Faith is all we have at this point
I really don't know what's going on at the club behind closed doors. I can speculate, but that's all I can do.Those transfers need to be plausible and highly gettable. You don't plan your recruitment strategy around players you are very unlikely to get because of how much interest there will be in them and their exorbitant price.
It's blind luck you're relegating your release on to.
David Ornstein said the deal looked nailed on at one point and United was his preferred destination if he were to return to England.
We should offer £120 million next summer. He's in the final piece on the right.
But randomly bidding for any player offered to us or who *might* be available in the last 72 hours of the transfer window (Dembele, Dybala, Eriksen) doesn't suggest a well thought out strategy.
And if we can't land Longstaff with zero competition what chance have we got with one of the most sought after young players in world football?
In terms of Sancho's valuation next year, I don't think that would be an obstacle, not at all...
Lets not forget that we just trousered £75m for Lukaku, and will almost certainly sell Pogba next season (in my opinion), so if the long term plan is to bring in Sancho & Longstaff we probably should have sufficient funds purely from those 2 sales.
But again, so much hinges on getting Champions League football this season, and we have a massive gamble by relying on our current MF to deliver.
Lets not forget that we just trousered £75m for Lukaku, and will almost certainly sell Pogba next season (in my opinion), so if the long term plan is to bring in Sancho & Longstaff we probably should have sufficient funds purely from those 2 sales.
But again, so much hinges on getting Champions League football this season, and we have a massive gamble by relying on our current MF to deliver.
Fully agreed.
I am sure that by now the club know if Pogba will be here for the long haul or not. If not, then they have a season to scout and scour Europe for the correct profile of player(s) to recruit to mitigate his loss - my choice would be to get Saul and SMS, and a goalscoring attacking midfielder if we choose to go down the route of 4-3-3. The likes of Garner should also not be discounted from making the step up in due course also.
It would be amazing if Pogba stayed cos he'd be perfect for what we're building here.
I will have to keep an eye on his Chmps League games this season and see if his form holds up.
Euros at the end of the season and there will be hot competition for the wide spots with Sterling, our own Rashford, Hudson Odoi and maybe Greenwood could have the season of all seasons and come into the reckoning
Euros at the end of the season and there will be hot competition for the wide spots with Sterling, our own Rashford, Hudson Odoi and maybe Greenwood could have the season of all seasons and come into the reckoning
Guys let's just remember Sancho is a decent young player. Hes not and never will be Ronaldo, Messi or even close.
Sure he's done alright in the bundesleague. A great player that does not make though.
Dint get caught up on the hype train.
Sure he's done alright in the bundesleague. A great player that does not make though.
Dint get caught up on the hype train.
Honestly, if United hit top 4 this season then sign Sancho and a top centre mid next summer, how exciting would that be? A club genuinely getting back among the elite.
Why would he join us? People seem very confident that he would jump at the chance at signing for us.
Think the rumour, and some reports said he had agreed but us dropping out the CL stopped that?
Well said. Him not joining may have been a blessing in disguise and theres nothing to stop us from keeping our hand in with him over the season so if he does improve this season, we are in pole position. Guaranteed there will be another break out star this season who everybody ends up wanting come the summer.
Yeah at least now that we've sorted defence we won't need to make loads of signings in one summer. Top 4 is absolutely critical for our rebuild I think. I could see someone coming in on January to shore up our midfield, Longstaff perhaps?
Reckon Longstaff and Rice will be watched really closely, with a move to signing one of them next summer.
What? the guy is a genuinely class player. This isn't hype, he hasn't just fluked his whole season.
No he will more than likely never reach the lofty heights of Messi/Ronaldo, but then no player should be compared to those. They're god level.
Sancho is one of the best young attackers in the game right now. A goal and a assist against Bayern already this year says he's here to stay.
Why does he need to reach those levels to be a great player?
How many players in football have reached those heights?
He is an excellent player who had a fantastic season, and has already started this season on fire also
Indeed. I don’t usually subscribe to the ‘go and support another team’ thing, but this is becoming so tiresome. As I saw someone else write earlier today, ‘you either watch United or you don’t’. It’s not mandatory. If from top to bottom all you do is spew venom, perhaps it is akin to self-harm.
I just think he'll tear it up again this season and go to one of Madrid/Barca/Bayern/City/Liverpool/PSG.
We appear to be laying down the ground work. It seems like we have been and will continue to court him if you like, but I don't think it all means much when the top, top sides come knocking, whether we are in the CL or not.
We appear to be laying down the ground work. It seems like we have been and will continue to court him if you like, but I don't think it all means much when the top, top sides come knocking, whether we are in the CL or not.
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