I hope so, that would be a really nice pick up on a free transfer.
Ok then we are mostly in agreement. This idea about having two different types of player for the same position is more Mourinho management style, coaches like ETH need players who fit seamlessly into the system above all else.
Mazraoui* and that's far from certain.
At 20 what do you think genuinely, do we keep him loaned Champs next season and maybe Prem year after but make sure he is in contract, in this does he represent money in the bank?? If he keeps progressing then suddenly he's worth something, do we cash in or hope he surpasses expectation and adds depth and quality to the first team. C. Midfield is the hardest position on the pitch in my opinion he has 4/5 years of learning ahead of him. Just hope we find a way to give him a chance, looks high Champs standard already but we've been here before.
I'm guessing our hope would be that Notts Forest get promoted. They've hit form at the right time and are closing in on the play off spots. I think its would be a no brained to send him back there if they go up.
I would actually like to see us try our young players, he definitely deserves a place in the squad next season. Matic has to go, the guy is already a statue. We should try and sign Rice (suspect hes already off to Chelsea), but add Garner to squad. If we get another established defensive midfielder then Fred should go.
Heart says bring him back for next season but the head questions can a 21 year old play centre mid for United. Not impossible but it's a longshot.
I think posters suggesting another loan move are being too conservative, we have a Championship standard midfield starting games for us and I think if we sign a top DM there is nothing that stops us from playing someone on the level of Rice/Tchoumeni and Garner as a midfield two, provisionally against lower PL teams and as he grows more confident and established mid table teams. From the looks of things he has a balanced skill set that makes him a perfect candidate for a deeplying playmaker role or a box to box role.
There is an opening there, even more so if we don't sign a CM in summer(unthinkable).
I think there is definitely room for a young starting CM in our squad particularly if we sign a DM at the top of his game like Rice, I expect Garner to be a more technical but less physical alternate to McTominay in games against teams looking to park the bus initially. I don't think there is a midfielder, beyong Tchouameni, who is on the crusp of reaching world class status and within our reach as a club to enable us to look down on Garner. It will be more effective for us to bed him in than to sign another average to decent CM who won't have all the fundamental aspects of his game in tact.
If he has all this then he is better than Fred or Mctominay
People want the ready-made thing but forget that most players who excelled in a deeper role for us were developed internally, even when we signed Carrick he was an 8, same with Keane and Paul Scholes was a forward. My point is that we have always had to grow our own archetypal midfielder who suits what we need for those deeper roles. Pogba was getting games at a Championship winning Juventus at around the same age and I think Garner should be able to get games for a top four chasing United - if the move pays off we'd have a starting or squad position sorted for years and at minimal cost.If he has all this then he is better than Fred or Mctominay
Great to read that. Have such high hopes of Garner, hopefully he will fulfill his potential. Another loan to a PL club and he might be ready to start for United from 2023/24 season.
Sounded like younger Carrick. Well known to be a slow starter despite being with us for for a season or two already.
Pereira was more impressive on offense, Garner is much better defensively which is a much needed role now in our first team.
I haven't watched him but I agree.
Yeah, I think that's the best options.
Not surprising, as he is very difficult to judge (as most CM's are IMO). He is a good player, clearly, but he must impose himself more in games. Also, when he has played for United he has been quite underwhelming and in our last pre-season, I would even say he was pretty bad. Although different players but Tom Cleverley is not a bad comparison.
I can see where you're coming from. Haven't seen him play in a long time now, so no personal judgement or assessment to make, but it is fascinating to watch his thread veer so wildly as it does.
I've watched a bit of him and I think the varied views come from what people prefer in a player. Especially midfield players who vary so much in strengths and weaknesses.
Fingers crossed for him - that 'putting it all together' thing has been an anchor round his neck for quite some time as a I recall reading similar a couple of years back on here. By the sound of it, a loan in the PL is the next logical step, hopefully to a progressive team where he can iron out his flaws and perfect his craft before coming back here, or not, as the case may be.
Wish I could like that, well put.
