He is just as guilty because he has utterly failed to fight it. You can disagree with that if you want but calling me an idiot for stating what is a fact makes you look more foolish than me.
If he cared so much about people he'd stop lying about Brexit and go all out to stop it which he hasn't for the past 4 years because he's only really interested in nationalising everything and getting into power. Any type of Brexit will be a disaster for the UK, especially for poorer people.
Everyone knows apart from the blind Corbyn faithful that he won't get a different deal with his own red lines. It is beyond parody. Why, at this particular moment in British history do Labour happen to end up with this fool as their leader.
Agreed, the Tories should have been completely taken to the cleaners with their shambolic government , they can't believe their luck that Corbyn is leader of the opposition.
Whats funny is that you say anyone could have done a better job than Corbyn(Thats around 67 million people) yet when asked you failed to come up with a single name. Which just typical and amusing.
Its weird, the Stop Brexit button has been right in front of Corbyn for the last 3 years and yet he still hasn't pushed it.
I doubt you could be more patronising if you tried.
Pity he didn't campaign before Brexit to stop it instead of having his own followers voting for their own downfall and falling into Tory hands. Pity he voted to trigger A50, pity he voted against the withdrawal agreement which would have prevented a no-deal Brexit.
The idea that a new leader could just come in and solve the Brexit issue and sweep up loads of votes in the process is utter fantasy though... I have no idea where that analysis could even come from. The country is still incredibly divided by Brexit and the reality is that even another public vote two years on from the last would still be finely balanced. Labour actually tried to compromise with a softer Brexit but nobody is remotely interested because nobody actually wants compromise.
Oh right so your actual making the argument that Ed Milband would have done a better job than Corbyn has over the last 3/4 years ? Or that Gordon Brown would have done better ? Christ I think the only person less popular than Corbyn is Blair.
I honestly do think that yes. Corbyn is the worst Labour leader I can think of in my lifetime. You think he is doing a good job!?
Its not about solving the Brexit issue - it's about taking a position and fighting on that basis - it's really not that difficult to do, politicians do it all the time. This is basic stuff. Labour is all over the bloody place.
Based on what(Something other than your personal feelings.) ? And how would past leader have done any better ?
Based on the utter shambles that I have observed since he has had the position - its incredibly frustrating as he does have many policy ideas that I could definitely get behind but all of that is made irrelevant by how badly he has handled brexit - you have around a 50/50 split in the UK right now on Brexit - what he should have done, in my view, is picked a position and stuck to it - I'd have liked them to fight against Brexit completely but perhaps that was impossible so then they should have campaigned for a very soft brexit - they did not do this either. So essentially you have Labour being pretty similar to the Tories on Brexit - indeed part of their current 'position' is to re-negotiate brexit which is exactly the same bloody policy as the Tories - and laughable as it's a complete fantasy.
He's taking the position of "respect the original result, try to make it work, offer a 2nd vote on the final outcome". It's really not hard to understand. If you're honestly assigning as much blame to the person who is taking that position as you are to the people who:
He is currently trying to make a position out of 're-negotiating the deal' - on what planet is he on at this stage? If they re-negotiate a deal (they won't) then do they support brexit on those terms or are they against brexit? What side do they support in any referendum? Nobody bloody knows. That is my point.
He's on the planet where more than half of voters in a referendum said they want to leave. Are you on the planet where that didn't happen because it would explain a lot of your thinking.
Again you have not answered my question. Constant deflection won't cut it I'm afraid. You have said absolutely nothing of worth in any of your responses. No counter arguments, no explanations of your view. Absolutely nothing at all. Why is that?
I told you what planet he's on. You're not fecking Paxman mate.
Yes I saw him a couple of time son TV , same as he is in parliament, awful - so passionate not - pre Brexit campaigning was full of many other other people but Corbyn did not appear very often in comparison.
That's it is it? Well I'm convinced - sorry I take it all back, Corbyn is a fantastic leader and I'm 100% wrong. Your arguments were knowledgeable, skilled and well-balanced. I never stood a chance.
Corbyn appeared more than anyone else outside of Cameron and Osborne so once again you are full of shit.
Sometimes it's good to let off a bit of steam.
Yeah right, never saw Farage or Johnson - absolutely bull.
What, like current Remain champion - and person you’ll likely vote for - Jo Swinson??
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Actually you're right, he appeared more than anyone else who supported remain but there were leavers ahead of him. Including those 2 clowns. That says a lot about remain in general though as he still campaigned for remain more than almost anyone else.
On Remainers they were very thin on the ground , yes, it was a terrible campaign - I'm not saying it's just Corbyn but the Tory Remainers were just as much to blame for poor campaigning
The Tory remainers arguments seemed to actually help the leave side. People complained about Corbyn's 7/10 on Europe line but that was the most persuasive thing I heard the whole campaign from a politician.
See now I can start to take you seriously because you finally respond with a position rather than some sort of childish gibberish. The problem I have with this is that he, like the Tories, are still peddling the - in my view - false impression that the brexit deal can be re-negotiated at this point so I find it difficult to believe anything about their position - having said that IF Corbyn either supported the withdrawl agreement or even if he supported an extension of Art 50 then I would be much happier. He knows what the deal is - we all do - it's the withdrawl agreement that is already in place - dancing around this has been a major problem for both the Tories and Labour. Offering a 2nd referendum is fine but what would their position be in that case - are they a pro-brexit (with a deal they can live with) party or an anti-brexit party? They seem to have flitted between both positions and I honestly have no idea what they are.
I'd never heard of Jo Swinson until a few weeks ago so no - fortunately I don't have to vote for anyone but there isn't anybody I would vote for - just as an outside observer .What, like current Remain champion - and person you’ll likely vote for - Jo Swinson??
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But since you mentioned it, yeah, it is super weird that the Leader of the Opposition decided to respect the referendum result in the immediate aftermath of the largest act of democratic rebellion this century. It’s not like it would’ve been political suicide and an obvious point of attack for the Government, or anything.
It’s almost as if you live in a completely contextless social and political vacuum?
“Why won’t everyone compromise 100% with me!?” Says man utterly unprepared to compromise.
We don't really know what is truthful about the situation at this stage. Someone made the good point that if Corbyn negotiated with the EU the softest of brexits that they would probably go for that (they'd be silly not to at least).
Regarding those stats on Corbyn's contribution to the referendum, are there any stats on how he compares to other prominent campaigners at the time?What, like current Remain champion - and person you’ll likely vote for - Jo Swinson??
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But since you mentioned it, yeah, it is super weird that the Leader of the Opposition decided to respect the referendum result in the immediate aftermath of the largest act of democratic rebellion this century. It’s not like it would’ve been political suicide and an obvious point of attack for the Government, or anything.
It’s almost as if you live in a completely contextless social and political vacuum?
“Why won’t everyone compromise 100% with me!?” Says man utterly unprepared to compromise.
this poll from the other day which says 20% think Corbyn would make the best PM? To be fair, that is a 3% point increase on March 2017.
For nearly 3 years after the referendum Labour supporters had absolutely no fecking idea whether Labour were pro-Leave or pro-Remain. Corbyn was very obviously trying to keep both camps happy by finding some middle route but instead of just picking a direction and being open about it, he refused over and over again to give a clear policy position. It appeared as if he had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting a 2nd referendum policy, and even now we don't actually know whether he wants to make the party position pro-Remain or pro-leave with a deal.
There's a study on media appearances https://blog.lboro.ac.uk/crcc/eu-re...16-eu-referendum-report-5-6-may-22-june-2016/:
the famous if you are against the Israeli state you are against Jews.
