Irrational.
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My one memory of him will be him live streaming/ Snapchatting on the team coach as it was attacked by West Ham fans.
West Ham wanted him for peanuts.This. Should have been sold and the money (together with saved wages) reinvested or kept for this summers kitty. Our squad (mis)management has been unbelievably shite.
Yeah then there was also the Toon who wanted to loan him from us. Either way, those "peanuts" was probably worth it especially getting his wages off the books, not? Especially since we barely played him and kept him around the squad (with leaks continuing etc.).West Ham wanted him for peanuts.
Or he still has a childish/immature mentality and feels the need to be with younger people.It was funny the way he was sticking to the young lads when the players all walked on the pitch. You could interpret that charitably as him remembering how overwhelming it could be and doing his best to make them feel at home. But I couldn’t help thinking of the lad at school who always hung round with kids from the years below, because he needed to be a big fish in a small pond.
Agree with this ^Jesse's camp has no cause for sour grapes.
I still appreciate what Lingard has done for this club, especially in cup finals, but you can't have it both ways.
This season Jesse appears to have been a regular source for the media. Clearly Rangnick (and others) haven't taken that well and was never going to reward him. Actions have consequences: You want to post photos of yourself in a West Ham shirt, you want to let the media know you're peeved about not going to Newcastle, you want to tell Scholes the dressing room is a 'disaster.' All of that is fine. You're a free man, you can do what you want. However, you can't expect the manager or the club to like it. Expecting Rangnick to turn around and then give him a chance for a send off, after being undermined by him for months, was a bit mad. Shows how much of a bubble he lives in.
This is the same board who thought they could get 20M from Rojo, who refused to release Sergio Romero for 5M eventhough Ole had crossed his name out of 25 men squad, who thought if they refused 10M bid from Juventus/Inter Milan for Darmian another Italian clubs would come with higher bid. The board under Woodward was fostering toxic culture by keeping players against managers and the players own will all in the name of "preserving" their values on the balance sheet.This. Should have been sold and the money (together with saved wages) reinvested or kept for this summers kitty. Our squad (mis)management has been unbelievably shite.
In bussines, you don't accept derisory offers...you just don't. Once you do, every club will take the piss when dealing with you. We were absolutely right to reject those offers.Yeah then there was also the Toon who wanted to loan him from us. Either way, those "peanuts" was probably worth it especially getting his wages off the books, not? Especially since we barely played him and kept him around the squad (with leaks continuing etc.).
This.Jesse's camp has no cause for sour grapes.
I still appreciate what Lingard has done for this club, especially in cup finals, but you can't have it both ways.
This season Jesse appears to have been a regular source for the media. Clearly Rangnick (and others) haven't taken that well and was never going to reward him. Actions have consequences: You want to post photos of yourself in a West Ham shirt, you want to let the media know you're peeved about not going to Newcastle, you want to tell Scholes the dressing room is a 'disaster.' All of that is fine. You're a free man, you can do what you want. However, you can't expect the manager or the club to like it. Expecting Rangnick to turn around and then give him a chance for a send off, after being undermined by him for months, was a bit mad. Shows how much of a bubble he lives in.
How the feck has he been a disgrace and a leech?Remember this is the guy who got his media pals to print the sobbing story about him having issues and finally discovered himself after two OK- matches after that 1,5 years without goals and assists. They are trying to portray him to be some kind of great servant to United but apart from that FA cup goal he has overall been nothing short of a disgrace with his performances, leaks and general antics. He has leeched the club for years. Coming from the academy doesn't give you any freepass on this. You can understand from a financial POV that he didn't want a permanent deal in January, but it doesn't help his case against the club.
Good riddance to the most annoying and mediocre player post-SAF.
Yep, the previous decision makers, headed by Woodward were clueless. Handing out contract extensions and high salaries for players who have achieved next to nothing in the game/for the club.It's sad to see just how cancerous The Class of 2011 is
This is the same board who thought they could get 20M from Rojo, who refused to release Sergio Romero for 5M eventhough Ole had crossed his name out of 25 men squad, who thought if they refused 10M bid from Juventus/Inter Milan for Darmian another Italian clubs would come with higher bid. The board under Woodward was fostering toxic culture by keeping players against managers and the players own will all in the name of "preserving" their values on the balance sheet.
For some reason I thought the offer from West Ham was in that region? Don't know where/how I got that info from. It depends on what you deem derisory and I do agree with you, to a point. We've been notoriously "bad sellers", but it all stems from handing our undeserved high level of salaries in the first place, IMO. That always puts the buying club/player on the back foot.In bussines, you don't accept derisory offers...you just don't. Once you do, every club will take the piss when dealing with you. We were absolutely right to reject those offers.
Lingard with a year left on his contract was still worth £15-20m after the season he had with West Ham.
Good post but unfortunately you are talking to people who arent gonna hear any of it.How the feck has he been a disgrace and a leech?
I get that he can be annoying at times, and his PR clearly isn’t up to scratch, but there’s no way he’s been either, he gave us very good squad player service for many years, sure he wasn’t of the standard you want from a United player but there’s nothing he can do about that. He openly wanted to go get football and when it didn’t happen AND he didn’t get the games here that he was promised it’s really soured everything, but that’s on Ole. It’s his time to go (well, last summer was but again, that’s on Ole) but he’s far from the things you just described, show some god damn perspective.
He’s also FAR from the most mediocre player post Fergie.
Shows how conditioned fans are to managers spouting meaningless bollox when someone giving direct answers to direct questions is accused of verbal diarrhoea.
Yeah, I agree with this. He has good reason to be pissed off with how the club dealt with him, pre and post West Ham loan. And he’s been a decent servant to the club over a long period of time when loads of players under-performed.How the feck has he been a disgrace and a leech?
I get that he can be annoying at times, and his PR clearly isn’t up to scratch, but there’s no way he’s been either, he gave us very good squad player service for many years, sure he wasn’t of the standard you want from a United player but there’s nothing he can do about that. He openly wanted to go get football and when it didn’t happen AND he didn’t get the games here that he was promised it’s really soured everything, but that’s on Ole. It’s his time to go (well, last summer was but again, that’s on Ole) but he’s far from the things you just described, show some god damn perspective.
He’s also FAR from the most mediocre player post Fergie.
Of course they do. He’s been feeding them inside info for a while know.
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It just makes it much more believable that he was indeed someone who leaked info to them.Another one. The speed at which these people defend some players and leave others hanging is incredible.
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You don't need to convince me about Rangnick's often questionable sense of tact, boundaries, and confidentiality, in information-sharing.Let's not pretend that Ralf likes to keep comments behind closed doors, he's quite consistently displayed verbal diarrhoea himself in his press conferences all season. And let's also not pretend that Lingard is the first player to push for a move away and complain when it didn't happen.
I defended him previously, but all this telling tales out of school business was the end for me. He publicly undermined his manager so no surprise that he doesn't get a little cameo. This outburst from his brother is exactly why we need to get rid of Jesse Lingard, it underlines a lack of professionalism and cost him an underwhelming goodbye. I'd say he needs to sort his brother out, but it's not a problem anymore.Yeah, I agree with this. He has good reason to be pissed off with how the club dealt with him, pre and post West Ham loan. And he’s been a decent servant to the club over a long period of time when loads of players under-performed.
Although it’s hard not to read into Rangnick’s comments re training that Lingard is at least partially to blame for this underwhelming ending to his last visit to OT.
Its definitely a modern thing.It doesn't make sense unless a football player is a stakeholder in any organisation I can't see why a send off is necessary.
Footballers are not their own consortium. He's a payroll number no different to an employee, if someone leaves an organisation an internal celebratory process can be done and that's the end of it.
Hopefully Lingard is able to find success elsewhere but being realistic it's not like Neville, Scholes or Rooney were leaving. Lingard has represented an era of football for United where the club has drastically underperformed but that has had no bearing on deferring his income or sponsorship entitlements etc.
Solskjaer made a bad judgement keeping him because how much would Jesse have likely influenced the likes of Rashford, Pogba or other members of the team with a despondent attitude. Ragnicks stance on players leaving is correct if the said player no longer wants to continue they should leave.
Because Jesse Lingard thinks he's the main character.Its definitely a modern thing.
Rio Ferdinand didn't get a send off. Roy Keane didn't get a send off. David Beckham didn't get a send off. Jaap Stam didn't get a send off. Where was the send off for Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Bryan Robson?
Of course, its nice for players on their last game to be able to give the crowd a wave. However, the way this is being puffed up by the media and the player's entourage is strange.
By all accounts, if Jesse had had his wishes he'd never have come back from West Ham, or gone to Newcastle in January, and wouldn't have had a send off. So why the big moan now?