Decotron
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Exactly.Bruce and Pallister used to win most things in the air, but for some reason they couldn't handle Duncan ferguson. No one is perfect
Exactly.Bruce and Pallister used to win most things in the air, but for some reason they couldn't handle Duncan ferguson. No one is perfect
Because he's the biggest scapegoat on the team now that Carrick is playing well and Berbatov doesn't get games. It's ridiculous.Evans is getting the stick for his performance yesterday? why?
Whilst I don't agree with some of the overzealous criticism's ... he was poor yesterday, but then he was no poorer then Rafael, Evra or Rio.Evans is getting the stick for his performance yesterday? why?
Because he was poor yesterday, as was the entire defensive unit and his feck up on the third goal was a massive moment in the game. Ferdinand clearly had Fellaini and Evans should never have come over to try and win that ball.Evans is getting the stick for his performance yesterday? why?
Or it's because he played poorly?its like anytime United drop points, posters feel the need to pile into the Evans thread (and before that, the Carrick thread, the Fletcher thread, the O'Shea thread, the Neville thread)
its easier to scapegoat one usual suspect rather than looking at the game objectively
Not as big as Rafael's inexplicable decision to let Pienaar run off him for the fourth goal. A decision which I've yet to see him criticise him for (in fact, you've made a few posts attempting to defend him iirc).Because he was poor yesterday, as was the entire defensive unit and his feck up on the third goal was a massive moment in the game. Ferdinand clearly had Fellaini and Evans should never have come over to try and win that ball.
Do you think he played well Sunny? We conceeded 4 at home, we defended terribly.
or are you kidding me with the part in bold? The only reason I attempted to defend him was because of the harsh criticism he was coming in forNot as big as Rafael's inexplicable decision to let Pienaar run off him for the fourth goal. A decision which I've yet to see him criticise him for (in fact, you've made a few posts attempting to defend him iirc).
Surely that's Rio?Looking at the goals, Evans would be the defender who should have less on his conscience, in my opinion.
Ok, fair enough.or are you kidding me with the part in bold? The only reason I attempted to defend him was because of the harsh criticism he was coming in for
And I never said he wasn't to blame, he should've stayed with his runner, but... I did defend the fact that Pienaar was running directly in the area in which Paul Scholes was occupying and this is possibly the reason Rafael stopped tracking.
I agree with the rest of your post by the way Pogue, I just completely disagreed with gb in that "Evans is the scapegoat", we conceded 4 bloody goals at home, our entire defence is being criticized (and Nani too), that isn't so strange.
Fellaini scored that goal from almost the exact same blade of grass he landed on when he headed the ball for their third. A header that Evans should apparently have not been competing for. He can't win.Surely that's Rio?
Neither Evans or Rio can do anything about the 1st. Evans could possibly be better positioned on the 2nd (closer to Fellaini), Evans is at fault on the 3rd, and Evans shouldn't let his man turn and pick out a pass so easily in the box on the 4th.
So why should Rio have more on his conscience? Personally I thought they had a shocker as a unit. I wouldn't lay the blame for any one goal on one player aside from possibly the 3rd.
Eh? Different situations obviously.Fellaini scored that goal from almost the exact same blade of grass he landed on when he headed the ball for their third. A header that Evans should apparently have not been competing for. He can't win.
Fellaini presented the same type of problem as a Carroll or Crouch would have done.You sometimes have to accept that you won't win an aerial battle with them so the service has to be cut off.Fellaini scored that goal from almost the exact same blade of grass he landed on when he headed the ball for their third. A header that Evans should apparently have not been competing for. He can't win.
I wouldn't even get into that retarded argument Pogue, posters who come out with that sort of nonsense (and similar was said about Rafael now being "not good enough") aren't worth the time of day.The idea that this performance is somehow evidence he was never that good - after an outstanding season doing the impossible task of replacing Nemanja Vidic - is getting right on my tits.
Amen. I'd say that applies to three of Everton's goals. We can point the finger at individual defenders who might have done better but the standard of goals scored (from both teams) was top drawer. Really intelligent movement and accurate passing. No wonder defenders ended up looking silly.Eh? Different situations obviously.
I didn't blame him by the way, I just thought he possibly could've reacted a little quicker to try and block the shot. I think defenders rightfully defend the 6 yard back in that situation but obviously as the ball is coming in from the left the defence has moved over and Evans IS closet to Fellaini. As I said though, the defenders were probably happy with their positioning there, sometimes a goal is just a good goal.
Now I'm really shitting myself about next MonAmen. I'd say that applies to three of Everton's goals. We can point the finger at individual defenders who might have done better but the standard of goals scored (from both teams) was top drawer. Really intelligent movement and accurate passing. No wonder defenders ended up looking silly.
Maybe, maybe not.Surely that's Rio?
Neither Evans or Rio can do anything about the 1st. Evans could possibly be better positioned on the 2nd (closer to Fellaini), Evans is at fault on the 3rd, and Evans shouldn't let his man turn and pick out a pass so easily in the box on the 4th.
So why should Rio have more on his conscience? Personally I thought they had a shocker as a unit. I wouldn't lay the blame for any one goal on one player aside from possibly the 3rd.
This was the strangest thing with out tactics yesterday I though. Everton were always going to win the aerial battle, yet we seemed to play into their hands and let them get the service too easily.Fellaini presented the same type of problem as a Carroll or Crouch would have done.You sometimes have to accept that you won't win an aerial battle with them so the service has to be cut off.
City will present a vastly different type of threat unless Mancini plays Balotelli
oi ok, I didn't remember that.Rio gave the ball away originally for the 4th goal iirc
I could be wrong. Regardless, there was so much time between us losing the ball and them scoring that we could have at least defended better.oi ok, I didn't remember that.
Aguero gave Rio the runaround the last time they faced each other.This was the strangest thing with out tactics yesterday I though. Everton were always going to win the aerial battle, yet we seemed to play into their hands and let them get the service too easily.
I hope Mancini does play Balotelli over Tevez, because we'll beat them. The movement of Tevez and Aguero will cause Evans & Ferdinand serious problems. I'd rather Balotelli play.
He'd give anyone the runaround. Out cbs aren't the most mobile though, unfortunately. I think they'll score against us, but we are capable of doing the same.Aguero gave Rio the runaround the last time they faced each other.
I have a feeling that Tevez is going to be the difference maker. He has a point to prove more than most.He'd give anyone the runaround. Out cbs aren't the most mobile though, unfortunately. I think they'll score against us, but we are capable of doing the same.
What? If anything, they showed that they never gave up. Being 2 goals down at Old Trafford....twice. Most teams would have rolled over.Were they?
They gave up twice!
check the history of the thread though, people look for any excuse to slag off particular players. Bizarrely its usually homegrown players that get the worst stickOr it's because he played poorly?
Check the Rafael thread and the Evra thread, they are also getting dogs abuse so stop being a drama queen gb. Our defence had a shocker and those players are being criticised for it, simples really.
Nani is also bizarrly getting slagged off for his defending too.
fair enough, I wasn't really aiming that at everyoneI agree with the rest of your post by the way Pogue, I just completely disagreed with gb in that "Evans is the scapegoat", we conceded 4 bloody goals at home, our entire defence is being criticized (and Nani too), that isn't so strange.
Yes I do because I don't rate either player and find it amazing how many do on here. If however they have a good game I will admit it.fair enough, I wasn't really aiming that at everyone
Check out "All 3 United" for example - always pops up in threads about Fletcher and Evans to have a bash when they dont play well. Very rarely seen in other threads criticising other players
Not hard to see why. He was supposed to be cutting down the crosses from Hibbert since Evra for some reason went into the box all the time. He didn't do a good enough job disrupting Hibbert's crosses and they scored from two of them.Or it's because he played poorly?
Check the Rafael thread and the Evra thread, they are also getting dogs abuse so stop being a drama queen gb. Our defence had a shocker and those players are being criticised for it, simples really.
Nani is also bizarrly getting slagged off for his defending too.
I'll have to assume that's a joke?Not hard to see why. He was supposed to be cutting down the crosses from Hibbert since Evra for some reason went into the box all the time. He didn't do a good enough job disrupting Hibbert's crosses and they scored from two of them.
Their first 2 goals no one closes down Hibbert well enough and he has the time to control, set himself and measure in two good crosses.I'll have to assume that's a joke?
Nani should have done better to stop the cross in on both occasions. He does shoulder some of the blame for the goals IMO. It's part of his job to track the full back after all. That said, where the feck Evra was is anyone's guess. He was getting pulled all over the place by their right midfield player (Osman?) following him centrally on a number of occasions leaving loads of space for Hibbert to exploit.Wow, so you really weren't kidding. The first goal, Nani is the deeper out of him and Evra. You can argue he wasn't close enough to Hibbert on either occasion, but just how Evra's primary duty is defending, Nani's is attacking. Imagine if we had Ronaldo, he'd be nowhere near Hibbert. For the second goal, feck knows what Evra was doing, but again Nani was the deeper of the two. Why is Nani playing more advanced than Evra, except for those two goals, when all of a sudden, he's deeper than Evra?
You can't seriously be holding Nani more accountable for the goals than Evra?