I don't think there is any incentive for opposition fan's to vote in the poll and even if there is, the numbers will be too small to have any significant impact. I agree that there are unhappy people who go online to moan, but it is just an indication for many people in the Utd fanbase being not happy with the performances. You can see it here, with very big and vocal numbers arguing against Mourinho. Twitter also has many fans who are not happy with him and did you really had the impression of Old Trafford wondering in awe at the scintillating style and results they were served? I don't want to pretend the 1/3 number is true for sure, but you can't deny there is not a small number of fans who are turned off by the football /results / decisions. Take it just as an indicator.
You're using Twitter as a measure of how happy fans are? You know the majority are kids in India who can't even spell Manchester, right? Twitter is the hotbed of abusive tweets, I could give a donation of 100 quid to every single twitter user and they'd still find something abusive to write back. You look at hashtags for every manager, every player and there is tonnes of abuse. Please do not use Twitter, or Redcafe as a barometer of how Manchester United fans feel about Mourinho. You can't even say it's an indicator, because it isn't. If 1 third of United fans want Mourinho sacked, then why can't I hear 20,000 fans on Old Trafford chanting for him to be sacked? 20,000 fans, like you say, inside Old Trafford, want him sacked. I don't hear them shouting Mourinho out..... Why haven't they put a quid each into a pot and flown a plane over?
Discontent with tactics maybe, but not about the progress and results. I'm one that is discontent with the tactics, but I appreciate a first top 2 finish in 5 years. Context.
The Arsenal comparison is not right in terms of positions. Arsenal operates on a lower level because of Europa League for the second year in the row (never happened at Man Utd) and they are not as rich. I still think you can compare the toxicity and the disappointments of the fanbases relative to the expected success. Arsenal fans expected Top4, Man Utd fans expected a title challenge and both were out of their respective races before Christmas.
Arsenal operate on a lower level, because Wenger took them to a lower level. He took them from Champions League finishes to Europa League finishes. They are in the Europa League for the second year in a row because Wenger took them there. It never happened at United because Mourinho helped United qualify for the Champions League last season, and this season. This was not a normal occurrence under Moyes and LVG. He has steadily improved our finishes in the league and secured us back to back CL finishes, for the first time since Fergie retired! Progress, context.
Of course no one can expect to win the CL 3 times in a row. You can expect to do better against Sevilla in the CL, to win against 5th placed Chelsea with a manager who is virtually gone and you can expect to not be the team with the 5th most goals scored in the league.
Barcelona lost to Roma, you were marvelling over Barca's new manager in your previous post, well why didn't he get them to a CL final?
The thing with the CB's and full backs: It's on Jose to work that out, he had many transfer windows already. He signed Bailly and Lindelof, none of them could earn a starting spot every week. He could have sold Jones / Rojo / Blind / Darmian / Shaw because they are not reliable and sign some actual fullbacks instead of playing 32 year olds there.
It's called one step at a time. When Mourinho took over, there were probably 15-17 players in our squad that ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Manchester United. Mourinho has, window-by-window, begun clearing the squad, improving the squad, position by position. To say he's had time to replace the CB's and Full backs is unfair. He had to prioritise other areas. CM was in desperate need of strengthening. Matic, Pogba, Fred have come in. Strikers, Sanchez and Lukaku have come in. These were drastic improvements that were NEEDED. Compare that to City, who didn't need drastic improvement. They had a core of world class players, they brought in fullbacks to complete the jigsaw. Their midfield and strikers were complete and were gelled and in sync so he didn't need to touch that area. Just some fullbacks. Much easier than Mourinho having to re-build every single position bar the goalkeeper. If he focused on fixing the wingbacks, he wouldn't have been able to fix the midfield. You criticise our CB's, yet United had an impeccable defensive record last season.
Of course should Bayern win the season every season, just like Utd should win every time against Sevilla at OT. When Ancelotti was sacked, many people on here said how Bayern is finished, the squad is too old etc. Heynckes actually pushed Madrid to the limits with a very good game at the Bernabeu even though his best winger was out injured (Coman). He did not only win the title, he completely transformed the team and made them CL contenders again after the PSG embarassement.
United should beat Sevilla. Mourinho's job shouldn't hang on the Sevilla defeat. I was angry, annoyed, dissapointed and upset that we got knocked out like we did. But it was a bad performance by the players and the manager. Every manager has a bad performance.
Your comparisons that we should be doing as well as Bayern is so strange. They wouldn't have won the PL last season, they'd have come 2nd like we did. They didn't win the CL, they didn't come close. This despite having the monopoly of all the best players in the Bundesliga. We do not have the monopoly of the best players in the PL. Arguably Tottenham have a stronger squad than United, yet Mourinho still managed to get us over 80 points.
You missed to mention a few big names when discussing the squads. Pogba 105m? Lukaku 75m? Sanchez? Mkhitaryan? It is not like Mourinho hadn't had his shot at building a squad of very good players. Of course he doesn't have Ronaldo, but he didn't buy Salah either. A modestly cheap player, who performed like an expensive one.
Pogba was a very good purchase, but not to provide us with guaranteed, instant success. He is inconsistent, unpredictable and has problems with his form both at club level and at International level. That's not stopped him from getting many man of the match awards and growing into the team. But he's not world class, neither is Lukaku. I would take Kroos and Ronaldo over Pogba and Lukaku, by a clear mile. You're forgetting that both are young players and we've invested for the future. You also have to appreciate that Pogba replaced Fellaini in the starting lineup. Fellaini. Lukaku replaced Zlatan, who replaced Rooney. these signings were massively essential. The squad without these two players isn't worthy of top 4 football. Without Lukaku and Pogba, we're on par with Arsenal in squad levels. Yet you think we should be on par with Real Madrid and Bayern Munich! Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.
What Mourinho has to do is to have his team perform given the expectations based on the player material. That would be getting 85-90 points, getting to the QFs/Semis of the CL and scoring WAY more goals with attackers like Sanchez, Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Pogba etc
Why should Rashford and Martial be getting us 90 points? When have they ever done that for their clubs? When has Lukaku? 2nd best in the PL is arguably where we deserve to be. Yet you seem to think we should be getting 90 points? You know where we would be with 90 points? 2nd. The same position we are currently in.
On top of that, there are added expectations because he is Jose Mourinho, the 2nd most decorated manager of this century and once regarded as the best coach in the world. He is not supposed to perform like his player material suggests, he is supposed to outperform the quality of his squads. That is how he produced the biggest outsider CL win of the century, that is how he dominated the best league in the world in an unseen fashion and that is how he produced the best season any Italian side ever had.
So you think Mourinho should just be instantly sacked for progressing Man United's league finish from 6th to 2nd? 2nd to only a record breaking star studded peak City team?
You want the impossible. City have spent 5 years investing in this current squad, they have 2 world class players worth 50m in practically every position. United are still depleated and it will take time. But fans like you just moan for instant success. Spoilt fans who can't see the evident progress that has been made in 2 years. Evident of the opposition of City on over 100 points. Find me a manager who would get 105 points with this squad.... I won't hold my breath.
Doing something really outstanding, coming out on top even if you don't have the best players or the best conditions. To make a team more than the sum of it's parts. That's what Pep did in the PL this year or what Klopp did in the CL. That's what the best coaches in the world do and with Mourinho and the current Utd, the team feels like less than the sum of it's parts.
So why don't you give him time to build his team, rather than demand we yank the carpet from under his feat? He is currently mid-way through his project, he has driven us from 6th to 2nd, 3 cup finals in 2 seasons, improving the playing squad, yet you're opinion is, na, sorry, not good enough. You are the 2nd most decorated manager in the game, you do know how to build world class squads and win trophies, but sorry, 2 years in, your improvements in the league taking us to over 80 points and being higher in the league than Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea etc doesn't count for a step in the right direction because you didn't win the CL and PL straight away.
That my friend is a very spoilt-brattish child like demand. I'd understand if he took us from 6th to 8th. Or 6th to 6th. Or 6th to 5th. He's strided us forward and improving us. One step at a time, have some patience, please.
Come on man, defend the man all you want but no need for ridiculous exaggerations. Stones, Delph, Otamendi, Walker, Sterling, Jesus are nothing close to world class and neither are their back ups and they made the bulk of his team most of this season.
