Jose is not in top 2/3 managers in world football. Top class managers don't setup their team like cowards when facing Sevilla.
Jose Mourinho's press conference - Brighton (FA Cup) - 14:00 GMT
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His response is always I, me etc. He's given a brazen defence, of himself.
I don't think anyone really wants to hear it. We had more than enough of it with LVG. Jose and his everything is about me act doesn't really work when at the same time he's trying to insinuate the team doing badly is someone else's fault.
Simply that your addition has improved, as has the team.
Mourinho has done a number on some fans.
Very interesting 12 minute rant. I don't dispute that there's a process, or that it takes time, or that Pep inherited a process further along than he did. I'm not looking to get rid of him either. Its even blatantly obvious that we're we were never going to win the ECL this season. No args with any of that. BUT... (you could hear a "but" coming right?!?)... Manchester United is schooled on attacking football, and there's absolutely no reason why we should've played so negatively against Sevilla, and he doesn't mention either of these points - in 12 minutes ?!?
Redcafe didn't disappoint me, I came here to see the reaction of the press, and most people here whine about literally everything: blaming Mourinho for the ego, that he didn't cry in the press saying it was his fault only and a bunch more negativity stuff. What did you guys wanted more? He freaking said that he's the first to give face and he doesn't hide, he's with the team and the owners, won't run away from the construction phase, etc. You guys wanted an apology letter for the fans? Some fans here still think very high of Manchester United football team, like it was still the SAF days when they won PL.
Sucks to get out of CL, the game didn't go as planned because of tactics, players, manager, etc. Happens when one team isn't really accustomed to be in CL at all. Either the fans stick together and see that things are improving (in results), or just go back to the sacking routine, sack Mourinho to get another manager, give him 2 years and have the same results, repeat the cycle forever until something sticks.
Whenever you guys want it or not, the reality is Manchester United is in a construction phase and that's what Mourinho was trying to convey, bad games will happen even against "smaller" teams. Things don't happen in two years just because fans want it, it takes time. Whenever United looses a game Redcafe goes nuclear like it's the end of the world and that United is a team that can smash every other team besides Barcelona/Real Madrid. That is not reality.
Also, Sevilla isn't shit by no means like some have said here and in other topics, they won Europe League 3 times in a row before United for a reason.
Sucks to get out of CL, the game didn't go as planned because of tactics, players, manager, etc. Happens when one team isn't really accustomed to be in CL at all. Either the fans stick together and see that things are improving (in results), or just go back to the sacking routine, sack Mourinho to get another manager, give him 2 years and have the same results, repeat the cycle forever until something sticks.
Whenever you guys want it or not, the reality is Manchester United is in a construction phase and that's what Mourinho was trying to convey, bad games will happen even against "smaller" teams. Things don't happen in two years just because fans want it, it takes time. Whenever United looses a game Redcafe goes nuclear like it's the end of the world and that United is a team that can smash every other team besides Barcelona/Real Madrid. That is not reality.
Also, Sevilla isn't shit by no means like some have said here and in other topics, they won Europe League 3 times in a row before United for a reason.
The fact that he has just said things I have made similar points on well before the Sevilla game make me even more assured of the future.
I think I would actually find Mourinho quite disrespectful if I was a Man Utd fan.
You get the sense that some fans on here think Man Utd are almost lucky to have Mourinho as their manager. What? This is the biggest club in the country and one of the biggest worldwide.
And he's sitting there talking in this way, reading off a paper in a conference that would undoubtedly cause derision were it to come from Klopp/ Guardiola/ Benitez etc?
I don't really subscribe to this notion that he inherited a shite squad when he took over and Guardiola for example took over a squad almost ready to go.
He had De Gea, Jones, Rojo, Mata, Ibrahmovic, Rooney, Martial, Smalling, Carrick, Young, Shaw, Valencia, Fellaini in the squad. A lot of league winners, a lot of experience, some of the world's best young players in there as well apparently. I know Moyes and LVG have lowered expectations for some but there is no way that most Man Utd fans would have said that was a shit spine of a squad back in 2013.
The league campaign has been ok I guess. 2nd is good but to be so far back from City is not ideal. I don't think style of play has exactly been ideal though.
You get the sense that some fans on here think Man Utd are almost lucky to have Mourinho as their manager. What? This is the biggest club in the country and one of the biggest worldwide.
And he's sitting there talking in this way, reading off a paper in a conference that would undoubtedly cause derision were it to come from Klopp/ Guardiola/ Benitez etc?
I don't really subscribe to this notion that he inherited a shite squad when he took over and Guardiola for example took over a squad almost ready to go.
He had De Gea, Jones, Rojo, Mata, Ibrahmovic, Rooney, Martial, Smalling, Carrick, Young, Shaw, Valencia, Fellaini in the squad. A lot of league winners, a lot of experience, some of the world's best young players in there as well apparently. I know Moyes and LVG have lowered expectations for some but there is no way that most Man Utd fans would have said that was a shit spine of a squad back in 2013.
The league campaign has been ok I guess. 2nd is good but to be so far back from City is not ideal. I don't think style of play has exactly been ideal though.
How big we are...what's that got to do with it...Jose could be signed up to PSG or someone before we came along...the options with his pedigree don't grow on trees..that's all people are suggesting....
The quality of football on display this calendar year is no better than large parts of Van Gaal's time here. The Sevilla game, given the difference in quality between both sides, was actually worse.
We've got a better team and lose less games but the improvement people have been pretending to see is folly which, again, is something I've been banging on about for over a year.
Then isn't it down to him if he has taken too long to realise that some players cannot play to his system efficiently and needed replacing quickly? I agree that he has been left with some avrage footballers, but it is his job to put that right. Problem he has is he has spent a lot of money himself and it still is not right.
That's a very convenient way to look at things, especially 2013-14 season. In R16 we had a far worse team than Sevilla and still almost fecked up. Lost 2-0 away and needed RvP individual brilliance to go through in 2nd leg. Nobody is saying our performance on Tuesday was great and we were unlucky to go out. That doesn't mean you can use 2013-14 CL performance as a stick to beat Mourinho with.
Ha laughable comment. He's won everywhere he's been. His quality isnt in doubt. Won the CL (for times entered) with a far better ratio than SAF.
Whatever you read into Jose's 'rant' , it has become the hottest topic across all media outlets, mission accomplished as far as the board are concerned.
Like me he's resigned to not being able to compete with City as they have too much financial power now. Unfortunately unlike me he's one of the few people able to do anything about it.
None if it justifies losing to Sevilla at home though, he's just saying "well we wouldn't have won the CL anyway, these players aren't good enough". Again he's not wrong, but we need him to show more fight.
None if it justifies losing to Sevilla at home though, he's just saying "well we wouldn't have won the CL anyway, these players aren't good enough". Again he's not wrong, but we need him to show more fight.
Jose was, just like Wenger was. United Jose isnt. Nothing about him in his stint says to me he is world class or top 2/3 managers in the world.
I don't really give a shit what he's won with the previous clubs. I only care about how he's doing an United manager.
Spending x is relative. We get ripped off...thats well known so the amounts shouldn't be used to bash him. Players he bought not performing is a different matter but they need at least one season in the team before I start making judgements...
The difference with City has become much bigger than it was prior to 2016 though. It was Jose himself who mentioned City.
9pts over 76 games vs 25 pts over 68 games. It's the heritage.
Top class managers don't go many years without trophy as well.
And if you read my posts you would know that I have said that it is not the going out but the manner in which we went of that is the problem.
Its you my friend who needs to go watch those performances again, Being part of the winning team doesn't mean you really have been great, Sterling that was playing for Liverpool and the one at city until this season were 2 separate players much like the Sanchez we saw at Arsenal and the one who plays for us, just not that bad. Otamendi was nothing but a bumbling oaf for most part of his city career with may be small amount of ok performances in between, people were genuinely happy we didn't buy him given his poor performances.
And he's won trophies here already. You sound like you need a good cry baby......
I've just watched the full presser and he was really fighting in there. Football 'Heritage' was the theme and although he has a point that we've under achieved massively in the last 7 years it still isn't justification for why we lost on Tuesday night. Why does he have to bring Man City into it? What's that got to do with fans being angry about how we lost against Sevilla? Sometimes he talks too much yknow. 12 minutes rant and he doesn't address the issue at hand.
I don't know what to make of that really. Commercially, we're the biggest. Biggest turnover. Biggest following, probably. Best team, no. Best record, no. What point are you trying to make, that we could have hired better manager than Jose at the time? Do you think Pep was an option at any stage? I don't. Who else?
We got in a manager with a reputation that managed to halt our steep decline. I'm not sure who else would have done that. And I wouldn't have wanted someone who'd just be happy to be here and not fight for improving the first team and the squad.
Think he is taking a lot of the heat off the players, but again should the players come out from behind the manager and stand up and be counted.
Yes you are. You really are. You may not have been one of the top 3 performing clubs in the past few years but it was literally just a few seasons back that Ferguson was still sweeping all before him. In terms of size of club, you are in the top 2/3, maximum top 4 like I said.
It has nothing to do with this week. A club of Man Utd's size should not feel that they are lucky to have any manager, unless it is someone like Ferguson, who is literally unique. I don't get how some Man Utd fans can downplay their club so much to defend Mourinho, especially when I think you can defend him if you want to without also claiming that you are lucky to have him.
Besides, even putting aside that fact. Ok let's say that Man Utd were shit and tiny and are so lucky to have Mourinho. Where exactly would have Mourinho have gone? He's been to Real already. He's never going to be hired at Barcelona. Bayern had a manager when you were looking. Juve had a manager and he's already been at Inter. He's been at Chelsea (twice). Liverpool and Arsenal had managers already. City had been gearing up for Pep for a while. I don't think we have the resources for Jose.
So where would he have gone? PSG I guess? Maybe AC Milan? Otherwise literally where else would he have gone?
I can't believe Man Utd fans are honestly saying that you're lucky to have Mourinho. You can think he's doing a good job, fair enough. But lucky to have him? Really?
Both of them slagged off Man Utd to feed the ego of the man making the rant.How is preparing notes for a press conference in anticipation of specific questions comparable to pulling out an A4 sheet of paper from your inside pocket and laying out your argument that there's a far reaching institutional conspiracy against Liverpool FC like it's a fecking GCSE English Literature presentation?
And Arsene Wenger has been winning trophies at arsenal the last few years.
Your on another planet if you think I just luck.
And the stuff about injuries isn't true.
Aguero, Sane, Kompany, Sterling, Jesus, Mendy, Gundogan and Stone shave all been out at different points. Also Silva has had personal issues.
Exactly, That's like thinking, well, we have a weaker team than them [any team] so we wont bother pushing ourselves.
This mentality in any game, especially a big game is unbelievable.
By suggesting that Guardiola inherited a better core of players than Smalling, DDG, Valencia, Mata etc. His statement is undoubtedly true btw but he's not taking the heat off the players.
Thank you.
So, leaving that moral outrage to the side, when we decided to get rid of van Gaal, what other manager could we have hired at the time to improve us and halt the decline? Speaking as a very ill-informed United supporter who doesn't understand how big my club is.
You're the type of poster who'd probably get Wenger ahead of Pochettino as our next manager just because he's won trophies. Such is the level of stupidity of your argument.
As per as the last part, try to keep it civil.
No, I'm not even trying to say you could have gotten a better manager. There are few better than Mourinho (though others may have been more suited than him to Man Utd).
Regardless, saying that Man Utd are lucky to have him? I don't get that. You're one of the biggest clubs in the world, with the financial power to boot. You still had a very good squad, despite what some people think.
West Brom would be lucky to have Mourinho as manager, not Man Utd. I just find that thinking baffling.
You make it sound like Jose joined us after winning the CL. He joined us after being sacked by Chelsea.
He's had 20 years to shape the club jesus if this current team is what you build after 20 years......comparing Wenger to Jose....you want pretty football and doing nothing...you should be liking Wenger alrightey.
Me too.
OK, so it's about using the word "lucky". I said United were lucky Jose was available, and Jose was lucky to get the United job. I wasn't saying anything more than that. If Jose had not been available at the time, I think we'd have done worse.
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