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.......is not the best player in the world and was not last season as well.Ronaldo was clearly better last season.


When is the Ballon d'Or and world footballer of the year announced?
 
You can make the argument that Ronnie had a better season in his own league than Kaka did but you can then say that Kaka had a better Champions League..............me being biased I'd give it to Ronnie :D
 
Cold_Boy said:
.......is not the best player in the world and was not last season as well.Ronaldo was clearly better last season.


When is the Ballon d'Or and world footballer of the year announced?
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European Footballer of the Year announced this month

World Footballer of the Year announced in December
 
There are 3 players mentioned for the golden boot

Some say Kaka for his champions league last season, Ronaldo for his contribution to our league championship and some say Messi for just been messi... I dont know why messi is on there when he didnt even win something or made a feckin impact last season...

The best players last season were kaka and ronaldo. by current form i say Messi is the best but why the golden boot should go to messi?
 
REd FUn DevIl said:
There are 3 players mentioned for the golden boot

Some say Kaka for his champions league last season, Ronaldo for his contribution to our league championship and some say Messi for just been messi... I dont know why messi is on there when he didnt even win something or made a feckin impact last season...

The best players last season were kaka and ronaldo. by current form i say Messi is the best but why the golden boot should go to messi?
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Agreed that Messi shouldn't win the world player of the year.


The feckers will give it to Kaka even though Ronaldo was better.
 
DJS said:
Dunno about last season or whatever, but thus far this campaign, Messi has been untouchable.
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But do you think its fair to give the golden boot to messi when its obvious Kaka and Ronaldo were better than him and Messi hasnt done anything yet?
 
Cold_Boy said:
The feckers will give it to Kaka even though Ronaldo was better.
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In the CL Kaka was head and shoulders above any player and proved it against your lot when he took your lot to the cleaners home and away. Ronaldo showed better league form but he played in a team brimming with confidence where every player was on song for most of the season. At Milan they strugged badly with the loss of Sheva, they had points deducted at the start of the season and with Inter's form they were always struggling. Also the Milan players were well off the pace in the league with the likes of Gilardino and Inzaghi not really doing enough to replace the loss of Sheva. I thought Rooney's form of the season before last was as good if not better than Ronaldo's because he was carrying the team at times when all of them were playing poorly, last season Ronaldo was very good but so was Giggs, Carrick, Scholes etc.

Kaka will win world and European player of the year and rightly so imo, not taking it away from Ronaldo because he was brilliant and a joy to watch but for me Kaka was better and in the big crunch games he showed up and led Milan to the final.
 
REd FUn DevIl said:
I dont know why messi is on there when he didnt even win something or made a feckin impact last season...
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A hat trick against Real Madrid is just one of the few remarkable things he did last season

Agreed that both awards should be between Kaka and Ronaldo but to say Mess didn't make an impact last season is way off the mark.

Dont worry though Messi wont either award this year, Kaka will proberly take both :mad:
 
Should be between Ronaldo and Totti, with Ronaldo the clear winner.
This won't be the case though....
 
JazzG said:
Kaka will win world and European player of the year and rightly so imo, not taking it away from Ronaldo because he was brilliant and a joy to watch but for me Kaka was better and in the big crunch games he showed up and led Milan to the final.
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Spot on.

What are we supposed to be honouring here? Is it not a player's all round game, performed at a consistently high level in domestic, European and international competition?

If that be so, as amazingly well as he did for us in the league last season and though he play for the club i support, it cannot be Ronaldo.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Spot on.

What are we supposed to be honouring here? Is it not a player's all round game, performed at a consistently high level in domestic, European and international competition?

If that be so, as amazingly well as he did for us in the league last season and though he play for the club i support, it cannot be Ronaldo.
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I disagree Cristiano was way more consistent than Kaka last season, granted Kaka outperformed him in the Champions League but Milan didn't win their domestic league did they nor did they reach their domestic cup final. Kaka also didn't hit 17 league goals (23 goals in total) either.

I'm also willing to bet Cristiano performed better for Portugal last season than Kaka did for Brazil as well.
 
Ronaldo was fantastic in Domestic and International, and Kaka was better in Europe, overall Ronaldo was better.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Spot on.

What are we supposed to be honouring here? Is it not a player's all round game, performed at a consistently high level in domestic, European and international competition?

If that be so, as amazingly well as he did for us in the league last season and though he play for the club i support, it cannot be Ronaldo.
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Ronaldo was fantastic for Portugal throughout last year. This should also count for something.
There really is no other winner. Kaka didn't come close to Ronaldo in Serie A, the best player was Totti.
FIFA won't take this into consideration though....
 
Kaka should get it - ECL performances are a more arbitrary way of comparing performances since national leagues vary in style and substance making comparisons more difficult.

But then again Ronaldo did better in international games so maybe that swings it.....??
 
Ronaldo will never win it even though he deserves it more cause he was a constant menace throughout the season,what went agasint him was his ordinary form towards the end of the season which is what most pundits and journolist will look for.

Just out of curiosity i can't recall any player from the premiership ever winning the world player of the year,only owen has managed the european award... it always goes to the spanish or italian blokes.
 
Veronn said:
Ronaldo will never win it even though he deserves it more cause he was a constant menace throughout the season,what went agasint him was his ordinary form towards the end of the season which is what most pundits and journolist will look for.

Just out of curiosity i can't recall any player from the premiership ever winning the world player of the year,only owen has managed the european award... it always goes to the spanish or italian blokes.
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this is a key point. in recent years at least, it ALWAYS goes to players in Serie A or La Liga, so the answer to whether Kaka or Ronaldo will get it is obvious.
 
charlenefan said:
I disagree Cristiano was way more consistent than Kaka last season, granted Kaka outperformed him in the Champions League but Milan didn't win their domestic league did they nor did they reach their domestic cup final. Kaka also didn't hit 17 league goals (23 goals in total) either.
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No but score 18 goals in total which isn't that far off Ronaldo and he scored 10 goals in the CL which is phenomenal.

If Milan didn't win serie a that isn't Kaka's fault, he was playing in an under performing side and played a big part in them even getting a top 4 place and he helped his side win the CL. Also Milan were given a 10 point points deduction and if they wanted to win serie a they would of had to finished with 108 points i.e. win 36 out of 38 league games which was never gonna happen anyway.
 
Hmm, i dunno, perhaps you are right, i freely admit taht i dont' watch as much football as some on here.

But i just don't feel particularly comfortable about awarding such a title to a player who for all intents and purposes, failed to perform in the majority of cases against the top opposiiton in the Premiership and the CL [particularly away from home in the latter].

Wanting a form of perfection that isn't there to be found you think?

Maybe it was simply one of thso seasons.

We never had any of our players recognised indivudually at our time of greatest triumph.

For what it's worth, i reckon Ronnie will bag one of them.
 
JazzG said:
No but score 18 goals in total which isn't that far off Ronaldo and he scored 10 goals in the CL which is phenomenal.

If Milan didn't win serie a that isn't Kaka's fault, he was playing in an under performing side and played a big part in them even getting a top 4 place and he helped his side win the CL. Also Milan were given a 10 point points deduction and if they wanted to win serie a they would of had to finished with 108 points i.e. win 36 out of 38 league games which was never gonna happen anyway.
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nonsense. i watched most Milan games last season and Kaka seriously underperformed in the league. he was anonymous in the Milan derby, for instance, when they lost 4-3.

Ancelotti is right: in the CL, the opposition gives you more space since they want to win it as well; but not so in Serie A. Kaka imo, hasn't quite hit the same heights in the league as he did in his first season.
 
Even though most of europe is coming round to the fact we have probably the strongest league in the world it seems that you have to be playing in italy or spain to lift the big trophies. It's going to be kaka
 
Veronn said:
Ronaldo will never win it even though he deserves it more cause he was a constant menace throughout the season,what went agasint him was his ordinary form towards the end of the season which is what most pundits and journolist will look for.

Just out of curiosity i can't recall any player from the premiership ever winning the world player of the year,only owen has managed the european award... it always goes to the spanish or italian blokes.
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True and this is quite a ludicrous record when you consider some of the class we've had in our leauge. If Thierry Henry wasn't even in the top 3 two years back then there is no hope. World Cup finalist, Champions League finalist and off the back off a terrific season in the league with Arsenal, yet he didn't come close to winnning it. Ronaldinho was brilliant that year though.
 
Kaka played well in the latter stages of the champions league,Ronnie played well throughout,and played amazingly in the league,so should be the clear winner,but Kaka will get it because he's brazilian,and the fact that the games he played well in led to lifting the champions league trophey
 
It seems to me that in the old days, European player of the year was limited to European players, which makes sense given the title of the award. Ronaldo's clearly been the best European player, and arguably the best player, and deserves the European award. But Messi and Kaka are rivals for both awards.
 
DJS said:
I'm not really on about the golden boot, i just think at the moment, Messi is the best in the world comfortably.
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But throughout the whole year Ronaldo and Kaka were better so i don't think Messi deserves the award just for a few good games at the end of the year.
 
Cristiano was the driving force for he's team as they won the greatest prize in english football.

Kaka was the driving force for he's side as they won the greatest prize in the whole of european football.

Nuff said.
 
DJS said:
Messi's the best player in the world right now, without doubt.
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Not sure about the best, though he's clearly among them. But he's certainly the most exciting player to watch. Closest thing to maradona I've seen (and not just because he's an argie midget). If utd started a fund raiser among the fans to buy him, I'd give them my life savings :D
 
Reminds me more of Johan Cruyff the way he accelerates and goes past players as if they're not even there.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Cristiano was the driving force for he's team as they won the greatest prize in english football.

Kaka was the driving force for he's side as they won the greatest prize in the whole of european football.

Nuff said.
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Well that doesn't mean Kaka was the better player all season.

I can't understand how even United fans don't believe Ronaldo should win it.He was clearly way more consistent.Agreed he went missing in the last few Champions League games.But its not hard to see how Ronaldo played so well consistently.

They can give Kaka the Champions league player of the season.Which is no doubt he was.
 
Agreed. I thought this was blindingly obvious. The lack of Totti's name in this thread is also disturbing and shows that literally everything is based on the Champions League. Drogba should be considered unfortunately...
Iniesta was also brilliant last year. Is he in the shortlist?
 
I think many are belittling Kaka's league form here. Granted Milan didn't win the league. That said, neither did Chelsea, but Drogba was very good.

Not to mention Milan began the season with a points deduction which made it extra hard to win the league.
 
marcus agrippa said:
over how many games were these things decided? :rolleyes:

Kaka probably deserves it, but yours is shite reasoning.
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My reasoning may be shite but thats clearly how it was decided so your opinion means nothing.

Cold_Boy said:
Well that doesn't mean Kaka was the better player all season.

I can't understand how even United fans don't believe Ronaldo should win it.He was clearly way more consistent.Agreed he went missing in the last few Champions League games.But its not hard to see how Ronaldo played so well consistently.

They can give Kaka the Champions league player of the season.Which is no doubt he was.
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If you want to be classed as the best player in europe you have to be able to prove yourself on a stage classed as the best in the world or there abouts. Serie A whether rightly or wrongly is still regarded as one of the hardest league to play in as is la liga the champions league is seen as the ultimate. Look at the last ten european players of the year and you will see a clear coralation between the perception of each league and the awards given to star performers within those leagues.

The premiership whilst being thought of as an entertaining league is still seen as technically and tactically inferior to both la liga and serie A, hense why no player who performs exceptionally only on this stage will ever win European player of the year. Its that simple.
 
Kaka's magic. His biggest advantage over Ronaldo is a certain maturity he's got on the pitch. It's not that Ronaldo hasn't got charachter, of cource, but Kaka's decision making is far better and that alone gives him an edge.
 
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