Keano wisdom... and if Pogba plays it's proof Mo has lost it

[Raees]

Because they sell everyone who doesn't adhere to what they want. Do you think pep or klopp would tolerate pogba giving the ball away and taking ages to pass the ball to a teammate in space? You don't have to look to far, but look at fergie's view of pogba back when juventus received a 80m bid from Barcelona before he joined us next season.

If a talented player does not work hard enough to improve deficiencies in his game then its a matter of time less talented but hard working people get the better of talented people who think they are already the best and does not need to improve themselves.

In no shape or form I think mourinho's use of pogba is right, but I am aware of the lesson mourinho wants pogba to learn, which should not be ignored by pogba.

Do you think Pep and Klopp play football in a manner where a loss of possession is seen as a positive ‘he who has the ball is more likely to make mistakes?’ ... do they not put a lot more into their coaching to transform players who are prone into losing the ball by carrying out risky moves and making them more smarter at keeping the ball and making them more adept at knowing when to make the killer pass?

Furthermore does their systems not provide more runners and options for a pass thus negating the need to go it alone and be more of a invididial on the ball and create chances out of nothing against the run of play?

I don’t believe Pogba can learn much from Mourinho in his current state - the man is manipulative and is no longer a ‘coach’ - he has no desire to put in the requisite work on the training pitch and expects his players to just improve on their own and formulate their own patterns of play during the game and yet chops and changes teams without logic thus preventing the team from formulating understanding of runs amongst each other.

Can Pogba up his game - of course - would he face troubles under other managers from a tactical perspective - it is possible yes - but is he right to down his tools under this current cnut in charge - absolutely, I don’t blame him for one second. The manager has only got his own financial interests at heart - he couldn’t give a damn about the development of any player in this squad let alone Paul Pogba.

 

[Raees]

If you think that is genuinely what the takeaway is when two club greats reference what a winning culture looks like then good luck.

Does a winning culture involve being pissed before games? Answer that question? Or are we to be honest and admit that there is more to winning than being a super professional robot pre match?

 

[Sepukku]

It doesn't have to be black or white. A better coach will also have the same view that pogba well as rest of other mid contingent have to improve themselves with the effort they put on the pitch.

I mean in these conditions. if they will sack Jose, i dont think it will be faster than next summer.

 

[nickm]

Does a winning culture involve being pissed before games? Answer that question? Or are we to be honest and admit that there is more to winning than being a super professional robot pre match?

Like I said, you can criticise Keane (and Ince, the original big time charlie) for specific incidents but at the same time recognise that it doesn't make them wrong. Keane fecked up plenty of times off the pitch, yet still drove the team forward, made sacrifices to help the team win, took responsibility on pitch etc etc. It's what makes him a great footballer and an interesting character, that he succeeded despite these flaws. You don't see anything like the same application from the players he criticises at the moment and his point is a fair one.

I can only assume too many people on here don't remember the derision Liverpool's Spice Boys got, for exactly this reason.

 

[nickm]

Because they sell everyone who doesn't adhere to what they want. Do you think pep or klopp would tolerate pogba giving the ball away and taking ages to pass the ball to a teammate in space? You don't have to look too far, but at fergie's view of pogba back when juventus received a 80m bid from Barcelona before he joined us next season.

If a talented player does not work hard enough to improve deficiencies in his game then its a matter of time less talented but hard working people get the better of talented people who think they are already the best and does not need to improve themselves.

In no shape or form I think mourinho's use of pogba is right, but I am aware of the lesson mourinho wants pogba to learn, which should not be ignored by pogba.

I can't disagree with any of that. There's plenty of blame to go around here, nobody is absolving Mourinho or Woodward by criticising the players.

 

[Raees]

Like I said, you can criticise Keane (and Ince, the original big time charlie) for specific incidents but at the same time recognise that it doesn't make them wrong. Keane fecked up plenty of times off the pitch, yet still drove the team forward, made sacrifices to help the team win, took responsibility on pitch etc etc. It's what makes him a great footballer and an interesting character, that he succeeded despite these flaws. You don't see anything like the same application from the players he criticises at the moment and his point is a fair one.

I can only assume too many people on here don't remember the derision Liverpool's Spice Boys got, for exactly this reason.

So you admit basically that Keane has unprofessional flaws but still had other aspects of his character which made him a winner?

So why is there this over emphasis on the fact that dancing is causing our lack of success? We still glorify footballers from the 80s like Robbo and McGrath whose drinking held them and the club back from success?

 

[Mainoldo]

Some people care more about their iamge/ howv muvh dosh they make than how bad they play and how muvh they make the fans suffer week min week out with nedicre at best performances

Who cares. Mourinho is gone

 

[beedoubleyou]

If you think that is genuinely what the takeaway is when two club greats reference what a winning culture looks like then good luck.

Why are you wishing me luck?

Keane has always been old fashioned, even among his contemporaries.

Neither him or Ince has a clue how to handle the modern player and their track record as managers is evidence enough.

Lingard isn't a bad player, he isn't a great player either but the thing he doesn't lack is effort.

Ince got chucked out of the club for his antics and Keane has since admitted he was drinking throughout his career.

 

[nickm]

So you admit basically that Keane has unprofessional flaws but still had other aspects of his character which made him a winner?

So why is there this over emphasis on the fact that dancing is causing our lack of success? We still glorify footballers from the 80s like Robbo and McGrath whose drinking held them and the club back from success?

Fergie, Wenger etc DID attack the drinking culture. Individual slipups became just slipups, rather than manifestations of a wider cultural problem. And we celebrate some of those players because their issues didn't hold the club back from success - while wondering what could have been, especially in the case of McGrath - if he'd not had those problems.

Nor do I think the dancing etc is the cause of our lack of success. Rather it is a symptom of a lack of seriousness/focus that is replicated on field.

 

[nickm]

Why are you wishing me luck?

Keane has always been old fashioned, even among his contemporaries.

Neither him or Ince has a clue how to handle the modern player and their track record as managers is evidence enough.

Lingard isn't a bad player, he isn't a great player either but the thing he doesn't lack is effort.

Ince got chucked out of the club for his antics and Keane has since admitted he was drinking throughout his career.

Neither Keane nor McGrath are talking as managers though - they are talking as ex-players referencing the sort of unwritten rules that the team had.

 

[beedoubleyou]

Neither Keane nor McGrath are talking as managers though - they are talking as ex-players referencing the sort of unwritten rules that the team had.

No dancing, no business ventures (Ryan Giggs, Eric Cantona, Eric Cantona and David Beckham say hello) but getting tanked up and twatting your team mate is fine?

I think we've moved on.

Billy Meredith would probably call Keano a cnut for not smoking tabs at half time.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

Who cares. Mourinho is gone

Go the first part in bold me for 1, definitelely. For the second part in bold cant wait until the fecker goes and we bring in the right team of people to make this club great again.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

twatting your team mate is fine?

Rather see someone like him twatting his team mate all day shows the passion and that he cares, although I told hate violence.

 

[nickm]

I think we've moved on.

Haven't we just.

 

[ghagua]

While I love Keane for speaking the truth, what happens when you absolutely hate the cnut who is managing you? I remember Keane not even taking the field at the world cup in 2002 because he walked out on his team mates and country because of the issues with Irish management.