Sometimes I think people on here want politicians to speak exactly like they would amongst their friends.
But Johnson just gets away with it,and is never called out for all the bluffing and lying. And sadly not many watch PMQs.
Because governments in waiting have to show voters they will take a clear position on crucial matters of the national interest, eg international treaties. He's not leading a pressure group or gaggle of activists here.
Of all the things to get worked up about. Honestly you have to laugh at some of the labour 'support' sometimes.
Yeah, in a year like 2020, let's heap on more doom and gloom on the British people by saying how everything is going to be just as terrible if not worse next year
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Not sure what this means, but since I read it my dog has been going apeshit.
Yep or the guy is just pig shit thick.
It seems weird to level that accusation at a QC, but I was thinking this yesterday.
Anyone with a few brain cells can see that this is the case. Starmer actually wants to be elected, not just be the leader of the biggest protest party in Europe.
I think it's a really interesting point of view to think that Labour's path to power is made easier taking flak from the Tories ('see, it was such a good deal even Labour voted for it' or 'well it wasn't our fault it was such a bad deal, even Labour voted for it') or from the Lib Dems, the SNP, the Greens for backing the deal.
The opposition party always wants to be elected. There are some voters who want to support a party that offers genuinely transformative policies. If Starmer is elected to be Tory Lite... what’s the point?
This will come across as elitist and I am not, but I worry that the average voter will not pick up on the nuances in the PMQ debates so like you I am concerned that Bozo is getting away with it.
Yeah I remember friends telling me how they felt sorry for her(Had to keep reminding them what a god awful arsehole she was). She was so shit people started to sympathise with her.
they’ll take flak from the tories whatever they do.
They can go join socialist worker. Seriously. Plenty of places for people who want those kinds of policies. Don’t understand why labour, who can do plenty of good short of declaring a socialist revolution, has to continually cripple its chances of being elected to accommodate these people.
How about those in the party who want to be Tory Lite actually just join the Tories instead? Then Labour can concentrate an providing an actual alternative without the self sabotage we’ve all become accustomed to.
We pretty much had the same posts not so long ago defending all of Starmers abstentions on this basis
And which rather neatly demonstrates to all the centrists why people are worried by the direction the party is going when one of the most openly right wing posters on the site thinks that Labour might be a political home for him.
If it makes you feel any better it would be the lesser of two evils, rather than a political home.
Labour respond by saying that they voted to ensure that the will of the people was acted upon after years of division and make a point of highlighting the (avoidable - this bit is key) incompetence that follows. By doing this they will begin to pick up votes in places where they were lost. There was nothing to be gained by continuing to sit on the fence, or continuing to alienate those who voted for Brexit (and have since avoided Labour like the plague).
Wanting to be elected and actually being elected are two very different things. Labour can’t just appeal to the people who idolised Corbyn and Starmer knows this.
The general public don’t give a monkeys about your run-of-the-mill voting in parliament. But they buy into one-liners: Corbyn is an anti-Semite; Labour bankrupt the country; Labour delayed Brexit.We pretty much had the same posts not so long ago defending all of Starmers abstentions on this basis
Have you lot suddenly forgot the not so distant abstentions and the defence of them?
The problem is, he is not appealing to them even a tiny bit. He could have tried to be the unity candidate he pledged to be, but he isn’t. The reality is, he had to be entirely unprincipled and dishonest to become Labour leader.
finneh and sun are going to replace all the volunteer canvassers and campaigners come 2024.
They were not voting to uphold the will of the people. That has been done long time ago. They were voting for a horrible deal that the Tories cooked up. Labour could have said it's a bad deal and we will have nothing to do with it. It's going to pass no matter how they voted.
Well they got such a fan feking tastic result last time didn't they?
I think it’s a matter of perception; part of a longer term goal of bringing back former voters into the fold, particularity those who are older and socially more conservative. Time will tell as to whether it pays off.
Labour supported the UK joining the ERM but the tories got the blame when it went tits up, to labours great benefit, because it was the governments policy. If brexit goes bad, people will blame the tories, because they unlike labour, are the government, and they are identified with brexit. People simply will not care about how the opposition voted if there’s a government in crisis. Amazed this even needs to be said to be honest.
Removing the democratic and socialist elements that make up the core of Labours ethos will do quite the opposite. The strategy of divide and conquer will have the Tories rubbing their hands together.
Forensic opposition there.
A tiny proportion of voters watch PMQs. If that is your basis for expecting a Labour win at the next election then you need to have a look at Scotland, for a start.
The general rule is that oppositions don't win elections govts lose them.
Have to say that I am not a fan of levelling up the so called north. Levelling up should be a natural process and not one artificially promoted by politics.
What some of us mean by levelling up is simply spending somewhere near the same amount per head on things like transport and health provision. I am a fan of that for sure. Boris won't get anywhere near that though, he will think a few quid here and there will be enough, and it will be right to highlight that.
Wasn't intended to be.
