Oh I see. Yeah, I'm not anti-Tory, I'm anti-Tory policy.
Classic Starm trooper.
How's having Corbyn leading Labour gone for you? being against Tory policies I suspect you are very happy with the results yeah
Maggie Thatcher said that her greatest ever achievement was Tony Blair and new labour. Is there any reason you're promoting that ghoul, Campbell?
I'll pass on taking life lessons from a complete fecking cnut like Campbell, thanks. Did you ask him how happy he is with the Tory government he backed when telling people to vote Lib Dem in 2019, what with anyone who doesn't vote Labour regardless being a fan of the Tories and all that, or once again is it just no marks on a forum that face your ire, rather than people you hold in high regard?
Because he explained the political situation in the UK.
If nothing else, it was a handy demonstration as to how much they actually believe their previous comment about how anyone who doesn't back Labour is deserving of insults. But whatever you do, don't following Campbell's example and take a Labour leader off or Drainy will recommend people listen to you, rather than rage baiters. We won't get into how Alistair fecking Campbell doesn't meet that definition.
Do you think Corbyn would win the election if he was still leader?
The winning labour strategy was the Tories collapsing the economy
Honestly, get a grip.Notwithstanding the fact that she was pretty much senile by that point, it’s also a massive pile of rubbish. Minimum wage, constitutional reform, Agenda for Change (NHS), Good Friday agreement, progression of LGBT rights etc, would never, ever have happened under her.
Yes, obviously.
No but because I don't rate Starmer doesn't mean I rate Corbyn.
The deregulation of the financial sector, the Iraq war, the demonisation of immigrants, the global financial crash and the covert sale of the NHS to private enterprise. Guess which ones have been more long lasting and impactful?
Good luck with this one! A lot of people can’t, for some reason, acknowledge this. We’ve had one, ONE, labour leader in the last 50 years who has won an election, and that’s Blair. Corbyn, whose heart was clearly in the right place, was basically a guarantor of perpetual Tory government.
Wait, you’re blaming Tony Blair for the financial crash? And btw I actually work in the NHS, and have done since 2001. That labour govt invested billions and reduced waiting lists by an absolutely extraordinary amount. I’ll give you the Iraq war though:
I reckon it would be close since Truss happened, but probably Sunak would win.
The deregulation of the financial sector sure as feck didn't help. If you work for the NHS you must know that he did covertly sell off parts of the NHS then. I've also read that the PFI scheme that he introduced has been an unmitigated disaster.
Not forgetting...
Most of the country would be dead before that happened!
You'll rip your hair out trying to debate these types of people. Their political views are a bizarre mix that are full of basic contradictions. Tbh I'm not sure they understand their own politics.
Not championing, listening to his insight into his specialism. You know, political communications
His speciality is mental health advocacy. Except if someone who makes his work life more difficult gets hounded to suicide by the press in which case he finds it so utterly hilarious that he autographs a copy of the public inquiry's report to be auctioned off at a Labour fundraiser.
Poor treatment of whistleblowers is unfortunately something almost all systems have a problem with.
The irony is that most of the biometric measures in the initial proposal the Tories and Lib Dems so opposed has subsquently been introduced in other ways.
Do you go to them for your political insights as well?
He's not wrong on that one. Dissidents are loved in every nation(al system) except their own. The declared democracies should have a far higher standard, though, and that is common sense. Some do, some don't.
I go to anyone who has insight, and communicates it in an interesting way for my insights.
That second sentence is definitely true, as demonstrated by the lofty standards you hold random folks on here to regarding supporting Labour not applying to him and it not bothering you in the slightest
Somewhere between Thatcher and Attlee, given the middle/centrist way, which would be quite decent in surprising ways. But all in on the "middle way" if enunciated correctly: secure the baseline, complete conceptual reunderstanding of what is the welfare state with state welfare -- to simplify, housing, healthcare, and education. First home should be, and this is miles away from where Labour are, impossible to lose (some EU states have something like this). Speculate thereafter. The public baseline has to meet a decent standard whereas it is just failing on all major fronts right now. NHS is but a symbol of this failure. You cannot have a nation if you cannot meet housing, healthcare, and education standards, not one that is going to last long or be suitable for your kids to grow up in.
The only generational change Starmer is concerned about is ensuring none of his kids, their kids and their kids kids ever have to worry about a job interview because their Dad was PM once. Few years raking it in from the donors, then he's off to be a consultant, at one or two of the companies his government sends a lucrative contract to, one day a month for a couple of million a year.
I've protest voted against Labour before for some of the reasons you've listed in reasons why New Labour sucked. At least at the time it seemed like they sucked.
It's sad seeing that people's moral compass' are so flimsy. Victory is all that matters to some people.
I've had to take multiple breaks from discussing politics at all because I was just walking around angry all the time. Every time I start again I quickly realise why I stopped.
5 years is definitely better than 30 to 40 years though.
Question being, do you think the Tories could sink any lower in polling? They were at 14% in one poll I read. That's where the Lib Dems were once upon a time and everyone laughed about how with fptp they were an irrelevancy. Labour is on course for a blowout election if those numbers (say 20% for the Tories instead) hold and I don't see how they won't.
It would be amazing to see the Lib Dems as the official opposition and seeing the Tories crying impotently in a corner while inquiry after inquiry unravels all of their corruption.
Labour are winning the next election, it would be impossible not to.
