Labour are completely fecked for a generation because of a number of demographic and media reasons, largely unrelated to Starmer, or Corbyn, and only inadvertently to Blair & Brown.. though they seem very intent on making it unnecessarily even worse
The major problems being..
1. That homeowning over 65s have an ungodly amount of sway over any elections in this country, as a byproduct of being from a post-war boomer generation, born into an unprecedented era of social funding and opportunity, who subsequently voted to lower their own taxes and incentivise property, whilst also having less kids than their parents - thus ruining society for anyone but them, and making it impossible to ever outvote them..
2. That most of their kids, or the kids of these kids (who were even lesser still) went off into the Cities to find work and opportunity - this is the Blair & Brown bit, who invested in education in Labour areas, but not the areas themselves - thus ensuring they didn’t take their newfound metropolitanism anywhere valuable vote wise, except to a place that was already in lock step anyway, but leaving their parents and grandparents in myriad former Labour towns, now bereft of all the clever young dynamic people that would normally begat the kind of investment needed to modernise said places... and also stop them reading the tabloids
3. That the overwhelmingly right leaning media in the UK has an obvious and avowed agenda to push the Labour Party as Right as it can, for obvious ownership reasons, and has thus very successfully, but much less accurately, managed to redefine the idea of “working class” and specifically the “Former Labour Red Wall” type of working class, as entirely the preserve of elder, white, retired and mostly home owning people in places with declining cultural relevance... in other words - location aside - not a million miles away from your general Tory voter
... Whilst ALSO managing to effectively demonise anyone in a City, regardless of their circumstances, race and statistically much greater chances of economic discomfort as “woke out of touch elites”... thus ensuring that any Labour failure, from either the left or centre, can be blamed on not being sufficiently in step with the kind of voters naturally inclined to vote Tory anyway.
What Labour has to decide, is whether it wants to accept this annoying but unfortunate reality, and try and build a party for the future, aimed at getting as many young people and non-voters on board as it can, for the eventual moment when it can potentially seize the zeitgeist...
Or, whether it wants to aim for a Hail Mary short term shot at “electability” by flagellating itself at the feet of Brexit votes this incarnation of the party has been openly calling idiots and trying to relitigate against for 5 years...but at the expense of all the newer and mostly younger voters it’s also been calling idiots too
What this current election shit show has hopefully shown (though it almost certainly won’t be heeded) is that the latter can’t be achieved by purposefully shitting on the base you already had, in the vein hope of placating both James O Brien and the kind of people his entire career is predicated on insulting ....
The idea that simply NOT being Jeremy Corbyn is enough to win has been conclusively rebuffed in this very thread, by the most prominently engaged Tory voter in his very first post! Where he claimed the push back against Brexit was the primary reason for his anti-Labour stance, and that “the socialists” were at fault for this!....meaning the only thing the aggressive Centrist attempt to turn Corbyn’s Labour into a “more electable” Remain party did, was conflate the only thing plausibly electable about him to the people they’re now trying to win over, with the thing they found most unelectable!.... and their solution to this was to replace him with the architect of this manoeuvre!...fecking genius guys!
In essence all this centrist incarnation of the party has achieved, is the impressive feat of calling both the Brexiters to the right of them that they want to win around, and the young disenfranchised lefty’s they want to keep, unreasonable brainwashed idiots, and then been implausibly baffled why nobody voted for them.