Kenny Dalglish & his signings for Liverpool

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strikes me as a buyer of good but not top level players. Fair comment?

His signings for Liverpool:

  • Andy Carroll 31 January 2011 35,000,000 Newcastle United TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Luis Suarez 31 January 2011 22,700,000 Ajax TOO EARLY/HIT SO FAR
  • Jordan Henderson 9 June 2011 16,000,000 Sunderland TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Charlie Adam July 2011 7,500,000 Blackpool TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Ian Rush August 1988 2,800,000 Juventus HIT
  • Peter Beardsley July 1987 1,900,000 Newcastle United HIT
  • Ronny Rosenthal June 1990 1,000,000 Standard Liege MISS
  • John Barnes June 1987 900,000 Watford HIT
  • Ray Houghton October 1987 825,000 Oxford United HIT
  • Jimmy Carter January 1991 800,000 Millwall MISS
  • John Aldridge January 1987 750,000 Oxford United HIT
  • David Speedie February 1991 675,000 Coventry City MISS
  • Glenn Hysen August 1989 650,000 Fiorentina MISS
  • David Burrows October 1988 500,000 West Bromwich Albion MISS
  • Nigel Spackman February 1987 400,000 Chelsea MISS
  • Jamie Redknapp January 1991 350,000 AFC Bournemouth HIT
  • Steve McMahon September 1985 350,000 Aston Villa HIT
  • Barry Venison July 1986 250,000 Sunderland MISS
  • Don Hutchison November 1990 175,000 Hartlepool United MISS
  • Steve Harkness July 1989 75,000 Carlisle United MISS
  • Alan Irvine November 1986 75,000 Falkirk MISS
  • Steve Staunton August 1986 50,000 Dundalk HIT
  • Mike Hooper October 1985 40,000 Wrexham MISS
  • Nick Tanner July 1988 20,000 Bristol Rovers MISS
  • Barry Dures 1988 0 Trainee MISS
  • Jim Magilton May 1986 0 Trainee MISS
  • John Durnin March 1986 0 Waterloo Dock MISS
  • Robbie Holcroft 1990 0 Trainee MISS
  • Barry Jones January 1989 0 Prescot T MISS
  • Mike Marsh August 1987 0 Kirkby Town MISS
  • Steve McManaman February 1990 0 Trainee HIT
 
golden_blunder said:
strikes me as a buyer of good but not top level players. Fair comment?

His signings for Liverpool:

  • Andy Carroll 31 January 2011 35,000,000 Newcastle United TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Luis Suarez 31 January 2011 22,700,000 Ajax TOO EARLY/HIT SO FAR
  • Jordan Henderson 9 June 2011 16,000,000 Sunderland TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Charlie Adam July 2011 7,500,000 Blackpool TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Ian Rush August 1988 2,800,000 Juventus HIT
  • Peter Beardsley July 1987 1,900,000 Newcastle United HIT
  • Ronny Rosenthal June 1990 1,000,000 Standard Liege MISS
  • John Barnes June 1987 900,000 Watford HIT
  • Ray Houghton October 1987 825,000 Oxford United HIT
  • Jimmy Carter January 1991 800,000 Millwall MISS
  • John Aldridge January 1987 750,000 Oxford United HIT
  • David Speedie February 1991 675,000 Coventry City MISS
  • Glenn Hysen August 1989 650,000 Fiorentina MISS
  • David Burrows October 1988 500,000 West Bromwich Albion MISS
  • Nigel Spackman February 1987 400,000 Chelsea MISS
  • Jamie Redknapp January 1991 350,000 AFC Bournemouth HIT
  • Steve McMahon September 1985 350,000 Aston Villa HIT
  • Barry Venison July 1986 250,000 Sunderland MISS
  • Don Hutchison November 1990 175,000 Hartlepool United MISS
  • Steve Harkness July 1989 75,000 Carlisle United MISS
  • Alan Irvine November 1986 75,000 Falkirk MISS
  • Steve Staunton August 1986 50,000 Dundalk HIT
  • Mike Hooper October 1985 40,000 Wrexham MISS
  • Nick Tanner July 1988 20,000 Bristol Rovers MISS
  • Barry Dures 1988 0 Trainee MISS
  • Jim Magilton May 1986 0 Trainee MISS
  • John Durnin March 1986 0 Waterloo Dock MISS
  • Robbie Holcroft 1990 0 Trainee MISS
  • Barry Jones January 1989 0 Prescot T MISS
  • Mike Marsh August 1987 0 Kirkby Town MISS
  • Steve McManaman February 1990 0 Trainee HIT
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There's a few "top level" players in that list IMO.
 
They developed to top level, but they weren't top level when he bought them. With the exception of probably Ian Rush
 
golden_blunder said:
strikes me as a buyer of good but not top level players. Fair comment?

His signings for Liverpool:

  • Andy Carroll 31 January 2011 35,000,000 Newcastle United TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Luis Suarez 31 January 2011 22,700,000 Ajax TOO EARLY/HIT SO FAR
  • Jordan Henderson 9 June 2011 16,000,000 Sunderland TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Charlie Adam July 2011 7,500,000 Blackpool TOO EARLY TO JUDGE
  • Ian Rush August 1988 2,800,000 Juventus HIT
  • Peter Beardsley July 1987 1,900,000 Newcastle United HIT
  • Ronny Rosenthal June 1990 1,000,000 Standard Liege MISS
  • John Barnes June 1987 900,000 Watford HIT
  • Ray Houghton October 1987 825,000 Oxford United HIT
  • Jimmy Carter January 1991 800,000 Millwall MISS
  • John Aldridge January 1987 750,000 Oxford United HIT
  • David Speedie February 1991 675,000 Coventry City MISS
  • Glenn Hysen August 1989 650,000 Fiorentina MISS
  • David Burrows October 1988 500,000 West Bromwich Albion MISS
  • Nigel Spackman February 1987 400,000 Chelsea MISS
  • Jamie Redknapp January 1991 350,000 AFC Bournemouth HIT
  • Steve McMahon September 1985 350,000 Aston Villa HIT
  • Barry Venison July 1986 250,000 Sunderland MISS
  • Don Hutchison November 1990 175,000 Hartlepool United MISS
  • Steve Harkness July 1989 75,000 Carlisle United MISS
  • Alan Irvine November 1986 75,000 Falkirk MISS
  • Steve Staunton August 1986 50,000 Dundalk HIT
  • Mike Hooper October 1985 40,000 Wrexham MISS
  • Nick Tanner July 1988 20,000 Bristol Rovers MISS
  • Barry Dures 1988 0 Trainee MISS
  • Jim Magilton May 1986 0 Trainee MISS
  • John Durnin March 1986 0 Waterloo Dock MISS
  • Robbie Holcroft 1990 0 Trainee MISS
  • Barry Jones January 1989 0 Prescot T MISS
  • Mike Marsh August 1987 0 Kirkby Town MISS
  • Steve McManaman February 1990 0 Trainee HIT
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Players like that were brought into a squad to replace players who had dominated for years and were nowhere near good enough. Dalglish scarpered before this became all too apparent and left Souness with a mess he couldn't clear up.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Rio, van der Sar and Barthez would all have been condiered top level too

and there are more too
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Really?

Rio was a good but very stupid (naive is probably a better choice of words) footballer, made many costly mistakes still. Van Der Sar had flopped at Juve and was unspectacular at Fulham. Barthez I might give you, saying he was a top player is pushing it a bit though.

As for Berbatov that's pushing it a bit too.
 
It was clear that Dalglish had lost the plot when he bought Speedie and Carter.
 
phelans shorts said:
Really?

Rio was a good but very stupid (naive is probably a better choice of words) footballer, made many costly mistakes still. Van Der Sar had flopped at Juve and was unspectacular at Fulham. Barthez I might give you, saying he was a top player is pushing it a bit though.

As for Berbatov that's pushing it a bit too.
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Not what the thread is about. But Rio although was prone to the odd Bramble moment had been excellent in the CL for Leeds.

VDS had gone down a level but was still a big name.

Barthez had won a Euro and WC
 
phelans shorts said:
Really?

Rio was a good but very stupid (naive is probably a better choice of words) footballer, made many costly mistakes still. Van Der Sar had flopped at Juve and was unspectacular at Fulham. Barthez I might give you, saying he was a top player is pushing it a bit though.

As for Berbatov that's pushing it a bit too.
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fecking hell, are you seriously arguing that Ferdinand wasn't a top level player when we signed him? We broke the British transfer record on a central defender that wasn't top level?
 
Although he's payed over the odds for some players he's done well recently in the transfer market, people forget Liverpool are'nt a top side playing for trophies every season, they can't attract big name players so we should'nt compare his recent dealings with anything we or Chelsea do, they're in a transitional period, buying young British players is the right way to go about it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
fecking hell, are you seriously arguing that Ferdinand wasn't a top level player when we signed him? We broke the British transfer record on a central defender that wasn't top level?
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Well if you take into account we signed him from a huge rival that drives up the price somewhat, and he has gone on to become one of te best of his generation.

Anyway, back to Kenny's at Anfield.
 
VDS, Barthez, Blanc?, Veron, Schmeichel?, Vidic, Kleberson, Hargreaves, Ruud, Tiabi, Blomqvist, Poborksy, Cantona

admittedly a few of those were "misses" but they were all playing at the top level
 
phelans shorts said:
Really?

Rio was a good but very stupid (naive is probably a better choice of words) footballer, made many costly mistakes still. Van Der Sar had flopped at Juve and was unspectacular at Fulham. Barthez I might give you, saying he was a top player is pushing it a bit though.

As for Berbatov that's pushing it a bit too.
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But Rio showed immense promise as reflected in the final transfer fee. VDS played wonderfully for Juve before Buffon arrived and became the world's best keeper - no shame in being replaced by that. Barthez was just shocking. And Berbatov was just overpriced.

I think as for King Kenny's transfer buying: Originally, he bought duds but when he scored big, he scored big with his transfers. So far at Liverpool he's done a great job with buying potential and experience. They are certainly stronger than they were. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that, but we shouldn't take them lightly this season.
 
I don't know about 20 years ago, but it's impossible for him to get top level players when Liverpool aren't even in Europe.
 
I'm not sure what your point is, geebs. Surely any transfer can only be judged on his record at the club that signs him? If he becomes "top level" then he's a "top level" signing.

Otherwise, it just becomes an exercise in how much money the manager has to spend.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
fecking hell, are you seriously arguing that Ferdinand wasn't a top level player when we signed him? We broke the British transfer record on a central defender that wasn't top level?
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Pogue is right, everyone knew that Ferdinand was one of the best centre backs around when we bought him, hence the huge fee.
 
my point was he generally buys "average to good" players such as Downing, Adam or Henderson. His record points to that, rather than splashing out on marquee signings or lads who have already played top top level.

Even the likes of Barnes who went on to become a huge hit for them was nothing more than potential when he bought them, living off one wonder goal against Brazil
 
davisjw said:
But Rio showed immense promise as reflected in the final transfer fee. VDS played wonderfully for Juve before Buffon arrived and became the world's best keeper - no shame in being replaced by that. Barthez was just shocking. And Berbatov was just overpriced.

I think as for King Kenny's transfer buying: Originally, he bought duds but when he scored big, he scored big with his transfers. So far at Liverpool he's done a great job with buying potential and experience. They are certainly stronger than they were. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that, but we shouldn't take them lightly this season.
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That's very much up for debate.

He's bought a lot of potential - at hideous expense - but I don't know where you're getting the experience bit from. Unless you include Charlie Adams, with his one full season in the Premier League.

You could argue that Downing constitutes an experienced signing but it's not the first word that comes to mind.
 
Dalglish is a good manager..no doubt there. Tactically he is superior to rafa.
His signings so far have not been spectacular. But he will bring the best out of them.

I felt Suarez is the best signing he has made. I wanted us to get him.

But not too arsed about the others he has bought.

Liverpool will be a threat imo.
 
He has spent a tremendous amount of money on what seems to be "potential" rather than proven talent.

Could be a huge risk, but could pay off tremendously for him. The only one that really impresses me is Suarez.

Adam demands to be the centre of attention - that isn't going to happen at LFC. His hollywood passes to nowhere are not going to endear him to the LFC crowd or his fellow players. Downing is still just "potential" this many years into his career - his growth as a player has been long-since stunted. It will be interesting to see whether he is capable of taking that next step. Carroll's fee was immense, so there is a lot riding on whether he too can take that next step or two. If he can, then they have a great player for a generation. If he can't then Daglish made a hugely expensive mistake. Henderson is too young to be truly judged yet either, but could grow into an excellent player.

So much risk in their current policy, but where could they really go considering their place in the league and the situations of those in front of them?

They are not to be ignored next year, but they also won't be challenging for the league title any time in the next year or so.
 
The only thing that strikes me particular constant about Dalglish thus far is that he is signing a huge amount of British players, at huge amounts, with the potential of being top class.

Other then that it is a bit early to judge or comment on his transfers.
 
Liverpool fans are lapping it up. Was talking to one yesterday who said for the first time ever! ( even though he say's the same thing every year), they have a shot at winning the title. I give up.
 
its too early to judge his players bought this summer but not too early to judge his transfer market policy
 
Red Dreams said:
Dalglish is a good manager..no doubt there. Tactically he is superior to rafa.
His signings so far have not been spectacular. But he will bring the best out of them.

I felt Suarez is the best signing he has made. I wanted us to get him.

But not too arsed about the others he has bought.

Liverpool will be a threat imo.
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I don't agree with that.
 
Red Dreams said:
Dalglish is a good manager..no doubt there. Tactically he is superior to rafa.
His signings so far have not been spectacular. But he will bring the best out of them.

I felt Suarez is the best signing he has made. I wanted us to get him.

But not too arsed about the others he has bought.

Liverpool will be a threat imo.
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On what basis are you saying that?
 
Bearded but no genius said:
He has spent a tremendous amount of money on what seems to be "potential" rather than proven talent.

Could be a huge risk, but could pay off tremendously for him. The only one that really impresses me is Suarez.

Adam demands to be the centre of attention - that isn't going to happen at LFC. His hollywood passes to nowhere are not going to endear him to the LFC crowd or his fellow players. Downing is still just "potential" this many years into his career - his growth as a player has been long-since stunted. It will be interesting to see whether he is capable of taking that next step. Carroll's fee was immense, so there is a lot riding on whether he too can take that next step or two. If he can, then they have a great player for a generation. If he can't then Daglish made a hugely expensive mistake. Henderson is too young to be truly judged yet either, but could grow into an excellent player.

So much risk in their current policy, but where could they really go considering their place in the league and the situations of those in front of them?

They are not to be ignored next year, but they also won't be challenging for the league title any time in the next year or so.
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Can't believe my eyes - I'm actually in complete agreement.
 
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