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How effective are Ipswich at pressing? Because an organised high press needs to be prioritised above all else. Possession and patterns of play are great but won't win us games alone.
You're a bit uninformed, aren't youRemind me again which clubs are competing with each other to sign Ole?
Where we are at and where he is as a manager, top 4 isn't the be all and end all. It can't be. We gotta be patient and stick with him a few years minimum, even through a tough run. The same logic is fair for Ten Hag through this season, but he was hired by different guys. McKenna is Ineos' guy, he will be in charge of coaching and working with the structure which I'm sure he's fine with. He's part of the puzzle now and it's a fresh start for all, so will just need patience from all.It will be a huge test for McKenna if he is hired to coach our team. No top 4 is a sackable offense and he will be competing with 7 other clubs for those 4 spots.
It maybe a case of this massive job being too early for him. Hope he proves me wrong and does a Pep or Zidane and hits the ground absolutely flying.
My mate (an Ipswich ST) says pressing and possession aren't really what they are about. They attack fast and in numbers and overwhelm the opposition, but aren't obsessed with having the ball all the time like Leicester or Southampton.How effective are Ipswich at pressing? Because an organised high press needs to be prioritised above all else. Possession and patterns of play are great but won't win us games alone.
Equally, knowing exactly what NOT to do would set you up for success too, no? There are plenty of elite managers who came from non elite environments too.What all these managers did have was a lot of experience being part of truly elite, high-performing club environments, whether as players or assistant managers.
Arteta was a key part of Pep's staff from the start of his tenure at City in summer 2016 until December 2019. He was part of building the centurions and saw the standards it took to achieve and maintain that level.
Mourinho was assistant to Robson at Porto and Barcelona and then to LVG at Barcelona. Those teams won a massive load of trophies, had some of the best players in the world, and competed at the very highest level.
Pep and Xabi both won everything as players and competed at the very highest level of football for much of their careers.
I think that's what you worry about with somebody like McKenna. To the extent he had formative experiences within a big club environment, it was a dysfunctional environment. That's the sort of experience that gives you insight into what not to do in terms of how a club is run, the type of culture you need, how the relationship with players should work, etc. While that might be valuable, its probably not nearly as valuable as having a deep immersion in a successful environment with a club competing at the highest level.
What all these managers did have was a lot of experience being part of truly elite, high-performing club environments, whether as players or assistant managers.
Arteta was a key part of Pep's staff from the start of his tenure at City in summer 2016 until December 2019. He was part of building the centurions and saw the standards it took to achieve and maintain that level.
Mourinho was assistant to Robson at Porto and Barcelona and then to LVG at Barcelona. Those teams won a massive load of trophies, had some of the best players in the world, and competed at the very highest level.
Pep and Xabi both won everything as players and competed at the very highest level of football for much of their careers.
I think that's what you worry about with somebody like McKenna. To the extent he had formative experiences within a big club environment, it was a dysfunctional environment. That's the sort of experience that gives you insight into what not to do in terms of how a club is run, the type of culture you need, how the relationship with players should work, etc. While that might be valuable, its probably not nearly as valuable as having a deep immersion in a successful environment with a club competing at the highest level.
just needs to get Jaap Stam or Vidic to be stood behind him to look vaguely threateningI hope the cnuts who ridiculed him are still there if he gets the job.
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The old Ole counter attack then?My mate (an Ipswich ST) says pressing and possession aren't really what they are about. They attack fast and in numbers and overwhelm the opposition, but aren't obsessed with having the ball all the time like Leicester or Southampton.
It's the perfect timing and what's even more diminutive in terms of mentality is thinking that a manager that persisted with a failing system for months on end to the extent that the media (Carragher) had to give an expose on how bad the team is tactically, the notion that the same manager could change things in the upcoming season is definitively close to insanity when objectively observing where the club has fallen short this season.We wont know if he's good enough until he's actually here, but saying the club will devour him is foolish.
Most of the 'bad eggs' are out already and our new structure will serve to help both him and the club. He's has both managerial experience and experience guiding young players, which would serve our rebuild well.
If anything the timing to take a gamble on a truly rising star has never been better.
He was a 1st team coach under Solskjaer. That's a decent blueprint, yes.The old Ole counter attack then?
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Considering its gotten worse since then, it sounds to me the best course of action would be to get rid of the leaks. Not the coaching staff.Disaster waiting to happen this. Leaks from the dressing room under Ole about how amateur the coaching staff was back then were regular.
Arteta learning fron one of the best managers in history, you can't compare the two.He has technically won League 1 in his first season. What did Arteta win before he went to Arsenal? Jose before he went to Porto? Pep before Barca? Xabi Alonso before this season? They were all gambles. Of course it may not pay off, nobody is denying that.
You're missing the point. If they bring him in its because they believe in his potential. If we're to see that potential realised we have to give him time regardless of the results (provided they see the football going in the right direction). It's really that simple.
Yup, as a comparison I think that's a closer trajectory. Although if McKenna were truly following Klopp's footsteps he would stay at Ipswich a couple years in the PL before moving to a big club.I guess the best potential comparison could be klopp in terms of where klopp retired early as ordinary player and where he started as manager with mainz before taking over dortmund and winning them titles
This.Not sure how you go from never managing a single PL game (or similar level) to managing United
Disaster waiting to happen this. Leaks from the dressing room under Ole about how amateur the coaching staff was back then were regular.
Shambles as always
Well they wasn't exactly proving those leaks wrong were they?Considering its gotten worse since then, it sounds to me the best course of action would be to get rid of the leaks. Not the coaching staff.
That was 4 years ago. He's managed two successful seasons with Ipswich and gotten two promotions since then. You dont stand still as a young coach. Nobody starts out as Alex Ferguson. Not even Alex Ferguson.Well they wasn't exactly proving those leaks wrong were they?
Even on this forum how many people on a weekly basis used words like 'they dont even look coached' under Ole?
How many games in the PL? Im sorry the whole situation is fecking comical like always with this club.That was 4 years ago. He's managed two successful seasons with Ipswich and gotten two promotions since then. You dont stand still as a young coach. Nobody starts out as Alex Ferguson. Not even Alex Ferguson.
This is what concerns me. If we're going down the unproven route then I'd rather RDZ personally.Yeah I struggle to get behind this. Putting the romantic connotations aside, its hard to forget he was part of the Solskjaer coaching setup that ultimately failed at United, never mind the fact he has no head coaching experience at the top level.
And while his humility and mild temperament is praised, I feel like he'd be torn to shreds by the players and the media.
I filled my boots at 16/1Paddy Power stopped taking bets on him becoming next utd manager
Is managing in The Netherlands a higher level than in The Championship?Yeah I struggle to get behind this. Putting the romantic connotations aside, its hard to forget he was part of the Solskjaer coaching setup that ultimately failed at United, never mind the fact he has no head coaching experience at the top level.
And while his humility and mild temperament is praised, I feel like he'd be torn to shreds by the players and the media.
365 still taking. just put in a tenner !Paddy Power stopped taking bets on him becoming next utd manager
A club in the size and prestige of Manchester United learn nothing from it's mistakes in more than a decade. It's mind boggling.This.
He’s currently a flavour-of-the-month manager and this will end in tears once again.
We have learnt nothing in the 11 years since Sir Alex retired and keep making the same mistakes time and again.
I mean yes? Ajax have been in a downward spiral since he's left. Has McKenna managed in the champions league?Is managing in The Netherlands a higher level than in The Championship?
No they haven't - they still have Pochettino as shorter odds tooPaddy Power stopped taking bets on him becoming next utd manager
Yes, is that even a question? Inflating not only the premier league, now inflating the fecking championship? have you seen the English teams in Europe?Is managing in The Netherlands a higher level than in The Championship?
Why? Is Lingard coming back also?Not sure how you go from never managing a single PL game (or similar level) to managing United
Disaster waiting to happen this. Leaks from the dressing room under Ole about how amateur the coaching staff was back then were regular.
Shambles as always
The same way Arteta ended up managing Arsenal?Not sure how you go from never managing a single PL game (or similar level) to managing United
Disaster waiting to happen this. Leaks from the dressing room under Ole about how amateur the coaching staff was back then were regular.
Shambles as always
Is Jose not one of the best managers in history? You still conveniently ignored my actual point.Arteta learning fron one of the best managers in history, you can't compare the two.