sun_tzu
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shit look what happened last time he wanted to give medical assistance to peopleApparently wants to be a nurse now.
shit look what happened last time he wanted to give medical assistance to peopleApparently wants to be a nurse now.
Yep. There should be a more general charge for recklessly endangering the public, through bringing an assault rifle to a riot. Something I think any jury would have easily convicted him on.If people have actually watched the video n testimony evidence presented during the trial, this should not be a surprise at all. Don't know the exact US laws but prosecution should have tried him for different charges.
Yeah, agreed.Intending to, probably not. Willing to is something one could argue, though.
Also due to Wisconsin law hes technically not in violation of 948.60 because the statute was written by a moronEven if he were charged for illegally owning a fire arm, in WI its a class A misdemeanor. Even if that were put to the jury and the convicted him it would be basically a 300 dollar fine . Its not as huge as most would think.
edit: Wisconsin statute 948.60 if you want to look it up.
Zero prison time. its completely insignificant (in Wisconsin)
As long as people don't try to cause him serious bodily harm I'm sure they will be fine.shit look what happened last time he wanted to give medical assistance to people
I'm not convinced he thought he'd actually do it or was even sure he wanted to but I am very confident he went out that night thinking about shooting protestors and that he'd fantasised about shooting protesters every night of his life for some time beforehand.Intending to, probably not. Willing to is something one could argue, though.
It's not about the specific charge to me but how much including that charge, which would have been 100% guilty, would influence perception of other elements of the other charges such as provocation. If he's clearly guilty of two misdemeanors, that could very well have influenced a jury based on priming and other known concepts that influence decision making in these situations.Even if he were charged for illegally owning a fire arm, in WI its a class A misdemeanor. Even if that were put to the jury and the convicted him it would be basically a 300 dollar fine . Its not as huge as most would think.
edit: Wisconsin statute 948.60 if you want to look it up.
Zero prison time. its completely insignificant (in Wisconsin)
Fair enough. My perspective as being a fringe member of that sort of community is that "just give me a reason" is a personal mantra for some.I'm not convinced he thought he'd actually do it or was even sure he wanted to but I am very confident he went out that night thinking about shooting protestors and that he'd fantasised about shooting protesters every night of his life for some time beforehand.
Definitely. They very openly and proudly daydream about it.Fair enough. My perspective as being a fringe member of that sort of community is that "just give me a reason" is a personal mantra for some.
fecker is set for life.wow. I called that one wrong. Just fecking stunned. Wow. This trial was a shit show and a joke from the beginning all the way through the verdict. Our justice system is a laughingstock.
Conservative cretins like DeSantis are now using Rittenhouse for fundraising. Just, staggering. Rittenhouse should change his name and go live an unassuming life somewhere and thank God every day that he is not in prison. Somehow I know that won't happen, and this little shitweasel cumstain will be appearing on all the right wing talk shows and will be gaining fame and notoriety.
It's important to remember that he will have a target on his back for the rest of his life, and he will be looking over his shoulder every minute he's outside his house, and some day someone is going to punch his ticket.
So they rig it by over charging?Thread for people who think there was some kind of conspiracy to acquit him
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Ain't gonna happen.They are going to pay more than that for the police force and for the rebuilding efforts after Kenosha gets burned to the ground this weekend.
What are you imagining here?People seem to be forgetting (or ignoring) that he wasn’t the only one there with a gun. He wasn’t the only right-wing counter protestor there either dressed in CoD gear. This narrative that he was some lone-wolf terrorist with the intent to kill and out to start shit doesn’t really hold water based on the evidence we have. For whatever reason he was alone and singled out, chased, and assaulted by the mob and defended his life from imminent serious injury or death by the 3 he shot.
He’s an idiot for going into the riots with a rifle and should know that there’sa possibility he might have to use it, which he did and ended up killing 2 people. He’ll pay the price in other ways other than prison for the rest of his pathetic life.
I haven't seen that narrative anywhere, at least not on the caf. I myself referred to him as a MAGA terrorist but that doesn't mean he went out there intending to kill people. MAGAs know they can cause disturbance by their presence alone, especially among leftists.This narrative that he was some lone-wolf terrorist with the intent to kill and out to start shit doesn’t really hold water based on the evidence we have.
The reason being he is a 17 year old kid with no real understanding of what he was doing or how to handle engagement.For whatever reason he was alone and singled out, chased, and assaulted by the mob and defended his life from imminent serious injury or death by the 3 he shot.
So you get the reason why this happened. And yes, hopefully his life turns to shit but it being America there will always be someone who will buy him a meal or give him a job.He’s an idiot for going into the riots with a rifle and should know that there’sa possibility he might have to use it, which he did and ended up killing 2 people. He’ll pay the price in other ways other than prison for the rest of his pathetic life.
Book deal alone will set him up for life.I haven't seen that narrative anywhere, at least not on the caf. I myself referred to him as a MAGA terrorist but that doesn't mean he went out there intending to kill people.
The reason being he is a 17 year old kid with no real understanding of what he was doing or how to handle engagement.
So you get the reason why this happened. And yes, hopefully his life turns to shit but it being America there will always be someone who will buy him a meal or give him a job.
Hopefully not. What is the Fox Network paying for made for TV movies these days?Book deal alone will set him up for life.
It's not for whatever reason. Go back and watch the video and you'll see Rittenhouse following the group then running directly after the group. In other words, Rittenhouse chased the group before the group ever chased him. He wasn't just innocently walking around the car lot he was supposed to protect when people charged him out of nowhere. He appeared threatening especially when he ran after the initial group. If you watch that 2 minute video it's right around 1:27 to 1:33 that you see Rittenhouse running right after that group (which I would call a chase since he had no legit reason to run after them).For whatever reason he was alone and singled out, chased, and assaulted by the mob and defended his life from imminent serious injury or death by the 3 he shot.
Yeah I think that's the crux of it D.Intending to, probably not. Willing to is something one could argue, though.
Cocks, bongs and the truth, mosey. That's what I deal in.Yeah I think that's the crux of it D.
Im not convinced he would have even been found guilty of Wisconsin statute 948.60 because the statute was written by an idiot and if you read the statute in its entirety Rittenhouse technically didnt even violate that law the way it is written. You can argue what the law probably meant vs what it says word for word, but seeing as its a class A misdemeanor in wisconsin i can understand why little time if any was put on this angle.It's not about the specific charge to me but how much including that charge, which would have been 100% guilty, would influence perception of other elements of the other charges such as provocation. If he's clearly guilty of two misdemeanors, that could very well have influenced a jury based on priming and other known concepts that influence decision making in these situations.
the prosecution did my friend.Especially if the prosecution could have included more lesser included it certainly could have led to a conviction for something like negligent homicide. Not 100% on Wisconsin but in other states, self defense would not have automatically led to a not guilty on something like negligent homicide.
I wouldn't use the word "narrative" either, but there was a post saying he had intent.I haven't seen that narrative anywhere, at least not on the caf. I myself referred to him as a MAGA terrorist but that doesn't mean he went out there intending to kill people. MAGAs know they can cause disturbance by their presence alone, especially among leftists.
The reason being he is a 17 year old kid with no real understanding of what he was doing or how to handle engagement.
So you get the reason why this happened. And yes, hopefully his life turns to shit but it being America there will always be someone who will buy him a meal or give him a job.
He went there with the intent to kill. That's the bottomline.
It's very surprising that someone actually thinks that he did. First of all, he doesn't seem to have the intellectual capacity to calculate all the risks and orchestrate that "operation" seamlessly.Surely it’s much more likely that this is the result of a chain of unpredictable events?
America is fecked. There’s been hordes of morons open carrying big guns at flashpoints over the last few years. Thankfully this is a relatively rare event but it seems unlikely that what happened happened because he had uniquely ill intent.
Much more likely a perfect storm of shitty coincidences that caused a bad outcome. Stumbling across mentally ill, aggressive dude at the wrong moment, passerbys who did the opposite of what most people would do, running towards gunfire etc etc
He’s definitely guilty of being a trouble-making twat. He also never should have been let near that gun. What I’m struggling with is the idea he went out that night intent on shooting someone. That seems very unlikely to me.
It’s already been mentioned that he’ll have a target on his back now for the rest of his life, at 18 years old. Not to mention the personal psychological issues of being a killer and the trauma that comes with it. But he made his bed and he’ll have to sleep in it. No sympathy from me.What are you imagining here?
I think the money and adulation will be a big help.It’s already been mentioned that he’ll have a target on his back now for the rest of his life, at 18 years old. Not to mention the personal psychological issues of being a killer and the trauma that comes with it. But he made his bed and he’ll have to sleep in it. No sympathy from me.
"The Kenosha Kickers? No? That's okay I thought you might have recognized-"Totally off topic but does anyone else get John Candy in an ugly yellow jacket in their head every time they hear/read of Kenosha?
So you didn't follow any of the details of this then, or what?
Because they all showed intent to kill and, depending on how you define a jump kick to the head, at least 2 of them had the means to kill.
Polka kings of the Midwest? No? Ok."The Kenosha Kickers? No? That's okay I thought you might have recognized-"
https://abc7.com/starbucks-fight-santa-ana-man-dies-skateboard/1098183/“It shows an unarmed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a used car dealership. At one point, Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag at Rittenhouse before the two move off-camera and Rittenhouse fires the fatal shots at around 11:45 p.m.
Soon after, Rittenhouse is seen running down a street away from the scene with several protesters on his heels. He falls. Huber appears to strike him in the head and neck area with a skateboard; Rittenhouse.”
A plastic bag can’t kill you. A skateboard can be lethal, if you’re riding g it, but I have never heard of anyone dying from attack with a skateboard.
Could it not also be argued that the guy who went after him with a skateboard had just witnessed him murder someone else and so was using justified force to apprehend or disarm him?“It shows an unarmed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a used car dealership. At one point, Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag at Rittenhouse before the two move off-camera and Rittenhouse fires the fatal shots at around 11:45 p.m.
Soon after, Rittenhouse is seen running down a street away from the scene with several protesters on his heels. He falls. Huber appears to strike him in the head and neck area with a skateboard; Rittenhouse.”
A plastic bag can’t kill you. A skateboard can be lethal, if you’re riding g it, but I have never heard of anyone dying from attack with a skateboard.
i don't think I've ever heard of anyone being killed by a log or a blunt object before.“It shows an unarmed Rosenbaum chasing Rittenhouse into the parking lot of a used car dealership. At one point, Rosenbaum throws a plastic bag at Rittenhouse before the two move off-camera and Rittenhouse fires the fatal shots at around 11:45 p.m.
Soon after, Rittenhouse is seen running down a street away from the scene with several protesters on his heels. He falls. Huber appears to strike him in the head and neck area with a skateboard; Rittenhouse.”
A plastic bag can’t kill you. A skateboard can be lethal, if you’re riding g it, but I have never heard of anyone dying from attack with a skateboard.
I think he did. I’d do it too if I got away with multiple murders.Did he just throw himself to the ground?
Yes I’ve seen your multiple posts about this “chase” and I’ve seen the video. But it hasn’t been proven afaik that he was pursuing anyone. All that can be proven is that he was running in that direction. His intent no one can know or prove, though his “threatening” or aggressive nature is subjective.It's not for whatever reason. Go back and watch the video and you'll see Rittenhouse following the group then running directly after the group. In other words, Rittenhouse chased the group before the group ever chased him. He wasn't just innocently walking around the car lot he was supposed to protect when people charged him out of nowhere. He appeared threatening especially when he ran after the initial group. If you watch that 2 minute video it's right around 1:27 to 1:33 that you see Rittenhouse running right after that group (which I would call a chase since he had no legit reason to run after them).
Yes but the first shooting was justified so it follows that he can use force to defend himself against those who were apprehending him if there was a risk of death or serious injuryCould it not also be argued that the guy who went after him with a skateboard had just witnessed him murder someone else and so was using justified force to apprehend or disarm him?
How on Earth is the fatal shooting of an unarmed man who threw the oh so lethal weapon of a plastic bag justified!?Yes but the first shooting was justified so it follows that he can use force to defend himself against those who were apprehending him if there was a risk of death or serious injury