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Kylian Mbappe | PSG
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
A lot of people have very short memories and like to be prisoners of the moment. And re your question about players that haven’t had poor international tournaments, the answer is zero. No matter how good they are. That’s football
Why? How do you think transfers are financed and why do you think the top 6-7 clubs can't afford it?
i said we should agree to disagree. Thanks.
That's fine but what is the point of making a claim and refuse to even give a little insight in why you think that way kind of defies the idea of interacting on a forum.
Are they in negotiations? How long has that been going on for? I was referring to the comments he made the other week about Mbappe not being allowed to leave, I get that he probably means it in more of a "we'll do whatever we can to keep him" way and less of a "we own you, you're not leaving" kind of way but it doesn't sound great.
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At PSG he worked with some of the most successful managers of last 8-9 years but don't think he actually improved there. It's time to challenge himself in a better league but damn... He's so arrogant and egoistic, can't stand him.
You see that's the problem and I don't blame you, your quote is what Romano posted on twitter but he conveniently didn't give the rest of the sentence where Nasser says that they are negotiating and it's going well. That's the context of the first part, he was expressing confidence in keeping Mbappé beyond 2022. It could be misplaced confidence or an attempt to maintain appearances but it's not about him deciding for Mbappé.
What are people basing the arrogant or egotistical take on? I haven't seen it myself but I haven't really seen him outside of CL games. Genuinely interested in why people have this take on him.
I get the impression he's trying to be the world class player everyone thinks he can be but he's young and making mistakes as he goes. Like when he steps up to take France's last penalty and misses it looks arrogant but the reality is he probably didn't have much of a say in the matter.
I get the impression he's trying to be the world class player everyone thinks he can be but he's young and making mistakes as he goes. Like when he steps up to take France's last penalty and misses it looks arrogant but the reality is he probably didn't have much of a say in the matter.
A 180m player is going to walk away for nothing at 23 years of age. That's going to be painful.
And hilarious, don't forget that also
I don't think he's going to leave. Qatar will throw Messi money at him and his entire family. No way they can afford the loss of face of having their French superstar leaving them for what he sees as greener sporting pastures. That would undermine their entire plan of debunking Real and Barsa as every players dream destination.
I don't know if it's their plan, I don't think that they have any focus on Barcelona and Real Madrid, it's all about being the best themselves like every other club.
No sarcam, just intellectual honesty.
He is a fantastic player because he is somebody impatient and ambitious: he is always looking for new challenges and that is why he left Monaco because it was boring to play for them.
Henry, Platini, Zidane.. all become great players because they joined new clubs abroad.
That make sense.
Platini was a great player before joining Juventus, in fact he joined Juventus at 27 years old because he was a great player. Zidane was also already a great player at 24 when he moves to Juventus of course as most 24 years old do he improved.
But here is why it's fallacy, your assumption would insinuate that a player in the Serie A would without a doubt develop at a better rate than a player in Ligue 1 which is clearly not true.
Now when you take Mbappé and Monaco, moving makes sense because Monaco do not match Mbappé's ambition, they are a selling club, the same would apply to Tottenham, Dortmund or Roma but if Mbappé is at PSG, he is in the same situation than a player that is at Bayern or Juventus. Have players less chance to become great at Bayern or Juventus?
Do you think he'd do well at United?
Especially when the owner doesn't think Mbappe has the right walk away on a free. He's been saying that Mbappe won't be sold and he won't be leaving on a free. I think he's in for a rude awakening.
With respect to their football ability, no. With respect to their legacy and becoming an all-time great - yes most probably. Zidane could've been exactly the same player quality wise throughout his career, he wouldn't have had the status or legacy that he has right now if he hadn't moved to Real.
You're joking, right? You're saying the top top players from Italy are not legends?
Depends on who you're talking about. Difficult to compare since the Serie A was the best (or amongst the best) league in the world in the past, so easier to become a legend in such circumstances. Of course the players of Milan some twenty years ago are legends and all that. But that's not comparable to Mbappé's situation imo - the French league is a step below the top leagues and not one where you'd expect the world's best player (if he ever aspires to be that) to play, let alone spend his entire career.
Imho he's putting himself under too much pressure as if he's forced to win the Ballon d'Or this or next year hence he's trying way to hard -> making things simple but effective isn't enough anymore resulting in lots of unforced errors on the pitch, ergo being egoistical by putting himself over the team. His behaviour on the pitch can look arrogant and he rather often puts on a drama act if substituted (don't want to handshake with Tuchel for example), he got criticized by the French press for example when he looked totally pissed when he got subbed in the last friendly pre Euro while France was leading like 4:0..things like that.
Personally I think he's quite a nice bloke (don't know him personally of course tho) but his eagerness to become THE player of the world asap is rather hindering his development on and off the pitch. Being the only real superstar in the league next to Neymar isn't good for him as well I guess as a little less spotlight wouldn't be too bad for his own good.
That's a very interesting point and where I have an issue as a Football fan and someone that likes Football history. Narratives are taking more and more place instead of reality and that's a bit disappointing, I would expect that on twitter but not so much on a football forum filled with knowledgeable people. I put zero value in these hollow perceptions, Zidane didn't become a better player at 29 years old after joining Real Madrid, Serie A was as good as La Liga at the time, yet what you wrote is true, the perception would have been different.
I was talking about the likes of Bayern and Juve as they were the teams mentioned by JP. However, if it is PSG you're mentioning, then definitely he won't be remembered as a true legend playing for them.
And you can still become a legend in your own domestic league of course (see recent Bayern players), but most of them won multiple CLs and a World Cup. They are legends, but e.g. Schweinsteiger, let's say he moved to United five years earlier in his prime, and also won some leagues and a CL with them. That would've elevated his status even further imo, from a legend to one of the game's all-time greats. Small margins at that level but it makes a difference.
I think that he has a point about the perception, there is no logic from a Football standpoint but playing for Real Madrid elevates your status and leaving it diminishes it. An example is Seedorf, if Seedorf remained at Real Madrid, he would have been remembered way more than he currently is.
His Euro was correct: he played a key role in most of the goals goals scored by France.
The Top Ten Highest Goalscorers At 21 For Club And Country
1.) Ronaldo Nazario - 167 goals in 185 appearances
2.) Neymar - 140 goals in 227 appearances
3.) Kylian Mbappe - 116 goals in 199 appearances
4.) Sergio Aguero - 84 goals in 213 appearances
5.) Michael Owen - 76 goals in 156 appearances
6.) Wayne Rooney - 66 goals in 212 appearances
7.) Karim Benzema - 62 goals in 143 appearances
8.) Lionel Messi - 51 goals in 140 appearances
9.) Cristiano Ronaldo - 36 goals in 182 appearances
10.) Thierry Henry - 31 goals in 134 appearances
Because they are parrots or don't like people who are self confident.
There are some debates and discussions because of his stats
The Top Ten Highest Goalscorers At 21 For Club And Country
1.) Ronaldo Nazario - 167 goals in 185 appearances
2.) Neymar - 140 goals in 227 appearances
3.) Kylian Mbappe - 116 goals in 199 appearances
4.) Sergio Aguero - 84 goals in 213 appearances
5.) Michael Owen - 76 goals in 156 appearances
6.) Wayne Rooney - 66 goals in 212 appearances
7.) Karim Benzema - 62 goals in 143 appearances
8.) Lionel Messi - 51 goals in 140 appearances
9.) Cristiano Ronaldo - 36 goals in 182 appearances
10.) Thierry Henry - 31 goals in 134 appearances
Spot on as always
Yes, you're right
Yes!
This a fair concern in the big games.
Neymar does more but these two players don't like to defend while a player like Henry was more aggressive off the ball
Please look at the stats above
He needs a new challenge to improve, which is a different narrative
The only weakness is he tends to be overly confident and, as a result, do less that he can do or lose his focus or appetite.
Juventus made a profit of +50% in 6 months and I read he had an argument with Agnelli iirc
Good post
Yes
Platini was a great player in France but became a legend in Italy.
Zidane: If you compare his Euro 96 when he was a Bordeaux player with his WC98 or Euro 2000, it's obvious he improved.
Kylian needs to change of scene and will be more inclined to do more on and be more ambitious if he leaves France. He has nothing to prove in France. He is the best scorer by a mile.
You know the French players: they are more inclined to complain in France about everything (trainings, efforts) than when they play abroad.
Zidane became a better player by joining the Juve
Even if I believe he won't escape Madrid, I would love to see him in Manchester, I would love him in Manchester in order to rebalance the premier League
I watched a video of foreign footballers speaking English, he said '"I joined PSG to win lots of titles, I came here at 18 and I was talented but not a superstar, and now I am a superstar".
Basically he has let all the hype go to his head and he is now egotistical and arrogant. Most top players don't say that they are a superstar. For me that attitude is why I think Haaland and others will be better than him in a few years. Mbappe has not improved as much as he should have either since joining PSG.
Platini being perceived as a legend has nothing to do with improving as a player which is the only thing I care about. And Zidane was 24 in 1996, he was going to improve wherever he was, it had nothing to do with leaving Bordeaux.
That's more reasonable, if you consider that joining Lippi and Juventus in particular was a good developmental move. That's a totally different thing than make the ridiculous point that leaving a particular league will see you develop as if all Serie A players had a better chance to fulfill their potential whoever they are and wherever they play.Zidane became a better player by joining the Juve
Now if we apply that to Mbappé there is a question about PSG being the ideal environment, similarly there was a question about Juventus being the ideal environment for Henry or Milan for Vieira.
Needs out of PSG ASAP. Complete waste and pointless club. If he goes to Real he'd elevate his level and really test himself.
Hes already been house hunting in Madrid so his mind is made up. Either PSG get a fee this summer or nothing next summer. Hes going to madrid regardless.
Hell of an entrance into the thread here Ecstatic.
I was having a discussion with another poster regarding Neymar, and how he was perceived by the general footballing world. I think by playing in the French league, to a segment of the footballing world his legacy will be slightly diminished, compared to him having stayed at Barcelona, or moved to Madrid, while still keeping up the performances he has given for PSG.
This is to say nothing about ability or development though. I think it’s perfectly plausible that he can stay at PSG and progress as much as he can. This season he had some stunning performances in Europe, and is playing for an ambitious team. That does bring us back to the perception of some slightly, as despite those brilliant performances, after a mild euros the knives are out already.
Platini joined Italy in 1982 and his best performances with France were in 1984 with 13 goals in 10 games. You may argue that Platini in 1982 was better in terms of overall game than in 1984: obviously I don't know the answer
However, it's difficult to believe he didn't improve his game when he joined players like , Scirea, Gentile, Boniek etc.... Winning the European cup with them... playing each week against players like Maradona, Maldini, Baresi, Rummenige etc
Kylian is 22 years old, an automatic starter since the age of 17 or 18.
Vieira joined Milan at the age of 18 or 19 from Cannes and wasn't ready. The competition was tough in a team that played a 442 system. In other words he had to compete with Desailly (who was a central midfielder at this time) and Albertini an established Italian guy since a long time. Vieira came too early.
Henry was sometimes deployed as a left Wing back in a 3-5-2 tactical system...
Henry and Vieira struggled in Italy and were made to play in England! Kylian never struggled.
As a psg fan, I would like him to stay one year and win the champions League next year before he leaves the country as the ultimate national champion.
As a football fan, I am curious to know how he will evolve in Spain or England.
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