Let's just assume our window is over

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yeah he played really well, he was man of the match easily. I wouldnt like us to sell hernandez if we were only bringing in mane as they aren't like for like players, if we just signed mane without any of our players outgoing then I'd be happy with that.

Basically if we keep the squad we have now with the addition of mane then that'd do me fine.
Can he play on the right wing? Might be a nice pacy addition to the attack.
 
Can he play on the right wing? Might be a nice pacy addition to the attack.


He played RW/RM in today's game, was a real danger and bagged 2 assists. As I said he was the best player by far. Wouldn't say no if the price is right
 
What is hilarious was that at the start of the summer we were taking about spending 150-200M, but may end the summer with a negative net spend of up to 40-50m if we sell de Gea and Chcicharito.

I definitely like not buying players for the sake of it. Would prefer quality over quantity after accumulating so much dead wood in recent time. But our lack of depth and pace is concerning.
 
After 2 transfer windows, LvG has no excuse. The seed is planted. If we don't sign anyone and finish out of the top3, he should be out for me.
I get it, it is too early but it is not his 1st season anymore. This club and its fans deserve better.
 
It can't be over. We have to buy! City are top of the league already by a distance to Us, Chelsea and Arsenal yet will happily spend £55 million on another player to further improve themselves. They have also spent £30 million on a CB who couldn't make the bench at the weekend.

We need to spend and spend big to even keep near them now. We need to just go all out and spend £150 million or so on Bale and Kane (or someone alike).
 
After 2 transfer windows, LvG has no excuse. The seed is planted. If we don't sign anyone and finish out of the top3, he should be out for me.
I get it, it is too early but it is not his 1st season anymore. This club and its fans deserve better.

He's got an excuse because once he sorts something (midfield) something else crop out (gk def and fwd). I've predicted this long ago. Years of poor investment will haunt us for many years
 
Unless LvG changes his philosophy and lets some of the creative players have a bit of free reign to go and be creative and get on the ball and make things happen then the best we can look forward to this season is a scrap for top four
 
If we're genuinely going to go into the season with Rooney, Wilson and Fellaini as our strikers and Memphis, Januzaj, Mata, Herrera, Perreira and Young for the 3 attacking midfield slots we are in serious trouble. There's nowhere near enough goals or quality in that lot. We need at least 2 absolutely top quality players and there's not a chance we're going to get them.
 
There's still hope of a deadline day transfer that will shock the footballing world.

I reckon the Bale & De Gea deal will go through.

Bale isn't going anywhere, especially after last night. He never was.
 
Unless LvG changes his philosophy and lets some of the creative players have a bit of free reign to go and be creative and get on the ball and make things happen then the best we can look forward to this season is a scrap for top four
I don't think he will ever change.... Well hope for the best expect the worst this season then
 
The next couple of days will be all foreplay and no penetration, much like our attack.
 
We need more speed and movement in our attack. If Hernandez is to be let go, then make it happen and bring another fast striker in.

We also need another wide attacker. If you saw Sadio Mane play today, you can tell why we were interested in him. He could definitely improve our play from the wings.
 
As things stand our transfer dealings look better than Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool but far poorer than City's.

No they don't. Arsenal improved where they needed to and kept their strength everywhere else. We improved cm (although I don't see it as an improvement on the pitch if we constantly play two dms, no matter who we are playing) and we improved rb. Everywhere else has been weakened. Every other team has a striker. We have nothing up front.
 
We need a quality goalkeeper to replace DDG, a good defender to partner Smalling, a RW with bags of skills and technique who can score goals and a quality forward.
 
Who would have thought, at the beginning of the transfer window, that we'd have zero net spend, a clearly spent Wayne Rooney, Fellaini and...Wilson? Januzaj? As our striker options, Sergio Romero as our first choice keeper, Blind at CB through choice and Mata still out on the right for this season?
 
He's got an excuse because once he sorts something (midfield) something else crop out (gk def and fwd). I've predicted this long ago. Years of poor investment will haunt us for many years
Bullshit. I would honestly get some second tier players and they will perform better. We have had 2 transfer seasons and he is the manager of a club, not a midfield. Was it that hard to get a good but not great striker after RvP left? Was it so difficult to predict that we are gonna have problems with de Gea and Romero is just a backup? Was it that hard to see that out of all the leagues sticking Blind to CB is a bad idea? Was it so difficult to get a pacy albeit not amazing winger instead of a number 10? Again, bullshit. Glaring problems, glaring.
 
If so we are screwed.

Poor transfer window so far, settled some problems albeit with an ageing Bastian, but out front line options are so weak, and our current keeper couldn't get a club game for Sampdoria.

Awful planning, if it's not sorted in 2 days, then heads need to role.
 
When everyone knows we desperately need some pace and attacking threat, we'll struggle to get a decent price on anyone.

If we do sign someone fitting that description in the next 48 hours it'll be for a hugely inflated transfer fee, and there will be far more pressure put on that player than there should be. Meanwhile players like Ayew (who Swansea signed for free) will be absolutely ripping the Premier League apart.
 
How the feck are we going to attract world class talent with this strict, stubborn manager and the tripe we've played for 2 years?

I honestly can't see us winning the title for another few years minimum. It's really heartbreaking, honestly.
 
Yep. Lets pay 40m for him but not 22m for Pedro. All part of LvG's philosophy.
Yeah so many of our problems are self-inflicted. I'd love to keep DDG, but surely we could have got a good fee for him and then pay (perhaps over the odds but that's par for the course,) for Lloris (a guy who clearly who liked to come to United.) I don't think Pedro is a world-beater, but for that price (the same LFC paid for the Lallana,) surely it was a no-brainer to sign him. And then there is the CB situation - Blind has done quite well, but the jury is still very much out. Meanwhile, Otamendi was there to be bought, but we made no move. I'd even have Benteke here. I know he's got his limitations, but surely he'd provide a good alternative to Rooney.
 
Yeah so many of our problems are self-inflicted. I'd love to keep DDG, but surely we could have got a good fee for him and then pay (perhaps over the odds but that's par for the course,) for Lloris (a guy who clearly who liked to come to United.) I don't think Pedro is a world-beater, but for that price (the same LFC paid for the Lallana,) surely it was a no-brainer to sign him. And then there is the CB situation - Blind has done quite well, but the jury is still very much out. Meanwhile, Otamendi was there to be bought, but we made no move. I'd even have Benteke here. I know he's got his limitations, but surely he'd provide a good alternative to Rooney.

All three players you named, although none of them my favourite players or anything, would have been a huge increase in squad strength.
 
If the window is over we're not getting top four. That simple.

Quote me at the end of the season.
 
Need another 4 in to stand a chance of competing for anything. Looks like top 4 and last 16 CL are the summit of the club's ambitions this season though. The fans should adjust expectations accordingly.
 
I'm quite excited

If we sell De Gea and Valdes we'll be about 32 million in the black with close to 800k off the wage bill

Economic victory

Overall we've had a very good window, Pedro would have made it great but I have foolish faith in Wazza scoring 30 this year
Net spend champions 15/16
 
We won't get top four. Swansea are a good side and we fell short. Add to the lack of goals in the other PL games and we look blunt. Can't score goals, you can't win games.

Forget Brugge, that's like a heavy weight vs a feather weight.

Without creating more from the right, not relying on a kid and a striker to hold the ball up, play off and score goals, we are well short.
 
today could be a blessing if it convinces Van Gaal that Romero needs replaced by a top number 1, Rooney isn't sharp enough at 9 and we could improve our central defence.....
 
I don't think things are as bad as people make out today.

Equally I can't see us winning the league and I don't think any last minute business will change that.

I thought we would win with that starting XI today but that's football. Swansea will beat many big teams at home.
 
I don't think things are as bad as people make out today.

Equally I can't see us winning the league and I don't think any last minute business will change that.

I thought we would win with that starting XI today but that's football. Swansea will beat many big teams at home.
Fair points. I think the worry would be not how bad it was today, but how bad it'll be later on in the season if, for example, Romero is still throwing in goals, or Rooney gets injured and Fellaini becomes the replacement.

That said, I'm not convinced that anyone who we could realistically buy this stage of the window will make a massive amount of difference to what happens to us this season. If we could get a large number of that side playing well at the same time then we'd be flying. That's barely happened in LVG's time, though.
 
I'm quite excited

If we sell De Gea and Valdes we'll be about 32 million in the black with close to 800k off the wage bill

Economic victory

Overall we've had a very good window, Pedro would have made it great but I have foolish faith in Wazza scoring 30 this year

Are you drunk ?

Our window has been balanced imo, solved one problem created another.


Only way we are going to get a game changer this late into the window is looking at spain and some release clauses...
Greizmann, i've been saying it all summer.
 
I don't think things are as bad as people make out today.

Equally I can't see us winning the league and I don't think any last minute business will change that.

I thought we would win with that starting XI today but that's football. Swansea will beat many big teams at home.
it's not the loss itself but the manner.

How can you not see we have problems going forward and breaking down teams ? Against small teams we will have the time and control to eventually get a goal but stronger teams will hit back.
 
Are you drunk ?

Our window has been balanced imo, solved one problem created another.


Greizmann, i've been saying it all summer.

posted it before the game in blind faith as I said

Griezemann is easier said than done - why on earth at this stage of the window would they sell him?

are you drunk?
 
United have always had around 4 strikers, even last year we had RVP, Rooney, Falcao and loaned Chico and sold welbeck.

This year we look to be selling Chico and going it alone with Rooney, WTF is that all about?
 
United have always had around 4 strikers, even last year we had RVP, Rooney, Falcao and loaned Chico and sold welbeck.

This year we look to be selling Chico and going it alone with Rooney, WTF is that all about?

Rafael, Hernandez, RVP, Valdes, DDG would all be loving this moment (not for United losing but LVG being under pressure) and this is what i hate with LVG. He makes enemies out of a lot of people. He just doesn't think about the consequences. We would not have to dash for a striker if we still had RVP. Could have got Rafael on for Darmian when we needed to be more attacking in the final 15 mins. Valdes would have been way better than Romero.

He has to think about getting a striker, if not then we have to keep praying that Rooney improves. If Fellaini is going to be a no 10, you just know that there will be zero balls on the field, everything will be lumped to his afro and we will be the next stoke city.
 
If it is so be it. You can't say we haven't tried, if the clubs don't want to sell and players don't want to leave not much you can do.

The Pedro one is a bit of a sickener but lets see how he gets on to see if LVG was right to have reservations.

I think we've done not bad we've re-shaped the squad and have depth in midfield I just worry with the attackers we have lost and not replaced. With the extra games this season it seems strange to be going into the season with less options. At the same time though would rather wait than spend more money on shit just to fill the squad.
In my opinion it is a tactic of a club that wants to make it look like we are prepared to pay out so much cash, and the players are just not interested. Neymar, Muller, Ronaldo. It is not possible to get any of those players right now and it is my opinion that is the reason Woodward is bidding for them. Keep the support happy by making it look that we are willing to pay the needed amounts, while at the same time knowing that we will have no chance to get the said players anyways. So the cash stays in the clubs pocket ( or rather the owners pockets). Pedro was a possibility, but of course incompetent Ed fcuked that up. You can also be sure that if Barcelona agreed to sell Neymar then Eds bluff would have been called and it would have dragged on a few months and finally fallen through as the clubs could not agree the final payment method or Ed wanted to rescue a million or 2 from the deal. I feel sorry for the club that it has been taken over by someone who has damn all interest in the clubs success on the pitch. The interest is now on the commercial side. I feel that the Glazers have come to the opinion that it is impossible to compete with someone like Mansur at City, or Abramovich at Chelsea, but of course if they wish to keep sponsors happy then a champions league qulification is needed each season. So they will continue to invest small amounts of the clubs money in players while pocketing the rest(just my opinion). The club is rolling in cash but not a lot is being put on the pitch :( I trust in Van Gaals management skills but wtf is the story with him and Rooney, surely he can see Rooney is not capable of being our front man.
 
Bullshit. I would honestly get some second tier players and they will perform better. We have had 2 transfer seasons and he is the manager of a club, not a midfield. Was it that hard to get a good but not great striker after RvP left? Was it so difficult to predict that we are gonna have problems with de Gea and Romero is just a backup? Was it that hard to see that out of all the leagues sticking Blind to CB is a bad idea? Was it so difficult to get a pacy albeit not amazing winger instead of a number 10? Again, bullshit. Glaring problems, glaring.

You've got a point. As I said in other threads I wouldn't have sold Evans, RVP and Nani before first securing adequate replacements. Having said that we're in this silly situation because of years of bad investment. No manager should be in a position of replacing much of a squad in 2 transfer windows
 
it's not the loss itself but the manner.

How can you not see we have problems going forward and breaking down teams ? Against small teams we will have the time and control to eventually get a goal but stronger teams will hit back.

The team is too new to make this judgement. Also I think our style of play will fare better against the big teams.

I would definitely like to see a new attacker personally but struggling for plausible names. Yarmolenko perhaps.
 
Please let's not end this transfer window with a positive net spend! We're not Arsenal!

Aren't we? Top 4 looks assured, title looks a mile away and no dangerous enough 9. Difference is we're stronger defensively and them offensively, so you'd expect us to be worse to watch but a tougher out in the CL knockouts.
 
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