He said TheirWill he really? Ahead of Maradona, Pele and Cruyff?
He said TheirWill he really? Ahead of Maradona, Pele and Cruyff?
easilyWill he really? Ahead of Maradona, Pele and Cruyff?
Given the incompetence of Bartomeu, I genuinely don’t think so. I think most Barca fans if they are being honest will concede that Bartomeu doesn’t work in as analytical and scientific a fashion as would be required to think like that.For anyone who thinks Messi makes too much money,
Where would you rather the money go?
Do you not think that Barcelona had accountants and other high executives run the figures and realise that Messi is worth more to them than what they're paying him?
Is it just the amount that is obscene? When a club or any corporation is earning billions off of the back of their employees who generate that money, why is it an issue for said employees to get, what really isn't even a fair share of said billions?
I'd honestly much rather that most of the money in football went to the footballers, coaches and staff that make all of this possible. Instead of the money being swapped between clubs in terms of transfer fees, pay offs to agents and into a billionaire's pocket.
Pele plays for Barca?no, i worship the greatest footballer ever
and i don-t pay him
does his wages come from your pocket?
Apologies - couldn’t respond sooner as am restricted to the 5 post limit. If you can like some of my posts, we can engage more in debate on the obscenity of Messi’s contract.1. I don't get this. He earns them more then he costs them, how is he contributing to the distress? I mean, as long as you get more of of your investment the only thing you could criticize are opportunity costs. And therefore you need to have an alternative investment option with a higher ROI. Barca was so desparate to keep Messi for another season despite their financial troubles because they anticipated their revenues would nose dive the moment he's gone.
2. That's a very colorful description of the scenario. It definitely would be a matter of communication. They could've also just let it slip that Messi was demanding half a billion in five years and couldn't afford it and it would've been a different story, just as it is now.
I also think your deductions are a bit populistic. Sure, the tax fraud he commited could've been greed but it also could've been carelessness like he testified. After all he most likely has no clue about such stuff. People like him pay agencies to save as much taxes as possible and the borders between clever and illegal are pretty thin in this "economy".
Better than them.Will he really? Ahead of Maradona, Pele and Cruyff?
Wrong.Better than them.
never knew Pele played for them, and neither Cruyff nor Maradona are nowhere near Messi as the greatest Barcelona player.Will he really? Ahead of Maradona, Pele and Cruyff?
What is the justification for keeping contract details private anyway, PR?
It’s private information just like any other job. It should be his decision to share it if he wishes to or not.
Says the guy who thinks Pele played for BarcelonaWrong.
It’s private information just like any other job. It should be his decision to share it if he wishes to or not.
This is not true everywhere, and not for every job. You're coming from the perspective of British football where most clubs will be owned by private individuals, and it's up to them how they are run. Anyone can know what I earn if they dig in the law, because I work for the public sector.Indeed.
If anyone disagrees, please post a pic of your most recent payslip.
Says the guy who thinks Pele played for Barcelona
No he’s not - nobody is, and Barca have underwhelmed since he signed that contract.He’s worth every penny. Actually a bargain when you think about what he’s done for that club.
Should double his wages and put Barca in administration.He’s worth every penny. Actually a bargain when you think about what he’s done for that club.
He reportedly earn around 290k per week, so that’s about 16m per year. For comparison sake in 4 years we paid him around 64m. Adding to that transfer fee of 90m (to Juventus), that would be 154m. It still 146m short of your estimated figure of 300m, I am not sure if agent fee, signing on fee, bonus etc could make up that much.Was thinking about us .. what have we wasted on Pogba?
90m transfer fee.. signing on fee + agent fee + loyalty bonus + wages + other bonuses + image rights.
Upwards of 300m for someone who has contributed far far less than Messi.. and has generated a lot less in return for the club as well..
Turns out there is silly money in football..
We would hopefully also recover €50-60mm when he leavesHe reportedly earn around 290k per week, so that’s about 16m per year. For comparison sake in 4 years we paid him around 64m. Adding to that transfer fee of 90m (to Juventus), that would be 154m. It still 146m short of your estimated figure of 300m, I am not sure if agent fee, signing on fee, bonus etc could make up that much.
Heard Raiola earn around 30m from Pogba transfer last time? Did we paid that 30m directly and separately to agent? Or did Juventus pay him from their 90m profit received instead?
Barcelona is a brand in itself messi or no messi.haha Barca have definitely been foolish in the transfer market but were #1 in football revenue for 2020. Obviously covid has changed a lot of things but Messi is the biggest reason those sponsorships and other deals have been lucrative as they are. Rakuten isn’t throwing gobs of money at Barca because of Coutinho
You need to take a long hard look at yourself boy.Barcelona is a brand in itself messi or no messi.
Real Madrid or Manchester United didn't start getting no sponsors when Ronaldo left.
And don't think Juventus are getting equal sponsors even with Ronaldo.
Also Messi required the Barcelona brand as well which has made his brand stronger.
dumb take, the athletic isn’t a fluff piece and if you actually read it you would know it. Just a brutal take all aroundFergie was the reason we became a top club again. Why didn't we give him half our revenues? A "study" saying this or that in a fluffy piece isn't worth the paper it is written on.
Dedicating a third of your wage budget to a single player is just bad business no matter how I look at it.
I just cant aee how ita true, sounds like creative accounting to me.messi brings in over 30% of Barca’s overall revenue. I know not everyone has A subscription to the Athletic but they actually broke down how losing Messi hurts Barca much more financially in the long term than short. They also broke down how is worth his salary because he gives such a massive boost to every merchandise related piece and if anything they should’ve been making even more. Money off of him. He is worth the “obscene” wages. As for Griezmann he was on INSANE wages his last contract with Atletico, highest paid player in their history. That’s where that comes from. Barca handed out plenty of stupid contracts, but Messi wasn’t the issue, they still profited on him he’s massive for brand and sponsorships and tourists who only casually care for football but wanted to see Messi in person. The issue is handing out so many dumb contracts to umtiti, coutinho, Griezmann, rakitic, and some others.
Never heard more tosh in my life.You’re worth what your employer is willing to pay you.
I don't know about "half our revenues", but we paid Ferguson very well. More than any player at one point...Fergie was the reason we became a top club again. Why didn't we give him half our revenues? A "study" saying this or that in a fluffy piece isn't worth the paper it is written on.
Dedicating a third of your wage budget to a single player is just bad business no matter how I look at it.
He'd just won twelve leagues by that point, two UCL, multiple FA Cups, and League cups and changed the team from the biggest in England to one of the biggest in the world. Two effing right.I don't know about "half our revenues", but we paid Ferguson very well. More than any player at one point...
"Sir Alex Ferguson signed a contract with Manchester United in 2010 that ensured he would receive a higher salary than any of his players, the former manager has revealed in his latest book."
Absolutely it's PR. Neither party looks good here. Messi looks a cnut because, let's face it, you don't get that kind of money without bending the club over and forcing them into it, and Barcelona look completely incompetent for bowing down to it.I think this is PR from Barca that he brings in more than he costs. You made less actual profit from what he makes you (by paying him a higher percentage of that profit, eating into the margin) than if you paid him €300m over four years.
They gave that money to a player, on the decline because....he is good for your brand? You're a football club firstly, the money could have been spent on better players to keep you winning trophies or revamping La Masia, or driving down debt. You've also pumped huge money into a declining, depreciating asset.
Besides, if the entire team's identity and brand are based on one player then they are likely to implode when he retires/leaves.
They manage the club like a business, first and foremost trying to get a return on their investments. If the study they conducted suggests Messi generates more than they pay them, it makes sense that they were so eager to keep him.He'd just won twelve leagues by that point, two UCL, multiple FA Cups, and League cups and changed the team from the biggest in England to one of the biggest in the world. Two effing right.
I think this is PR from Barca that he brings in more than he costs. You made less actual profit from what he makes you (by paying him a higher percentage of that profit, eating into the margin) than if you paid him €300m over four years.
They gave that money to a player, on the decline because....he is good for your brand? You're a football club firstly, the money could have been spent on better players to keep you winning trophies or revamping La Masia, or driving down debt. You've also pumped huge money into a declining, depreciating asset.
Besides, if the entire team's identity and brand are based on one player then they are likely to implode when he retires/leaves.
That's madness. Barcelona should sack their commercial team if they accept shit like that. A contract is a contract. Did Real Madrid have their deal cut when Ronaldo left?Apparently, Rakuten plans on cutting the sponsoring deal for next year by 40% if Messi isn't at Barcelona anymore. Another sponsor, Beko, seems to want to cut it even further to 50%
I don't get how you guys can retain that opinion given what information is being revealed.I don't even think Messi deserves criticism. I also don't agree that Messi is responsible for a third of Barca's revenue. Barca were already a top team when he started making a name for himself. Commercial and broadcast revenues have grown exponentially in the last 15 years. Nearly every top club is worth 2/3 times what they were 15 years ago. You can't simply say Barca would be worth a third less if Messi left in 2017. Apart from that Barca have in the last 15 years had some incredible players.
Risking your financial position for one player is never justified. What's worse. They gave that kind of contract to a player who was already showing signs of fading albeit from an insane peak. Is anyone surprised by the situation? The money he's on is simply unsustainable for a club that does not depend on a benefactor.
It's not even about him being worth it. Barca could simply not afford it for the direct and indirect impact it had on their financial position. Absolutely no non-oil club would have taken him on on such numbers.
I don't know what Madrid did. But it's apparently all of their sponsors. Rakuten apparently only renewed for one year after the rumors surrounding Messi.That's madness. Barcelona should sack their commercial team if they accept shit like that. A contract is a contract. Did Real Madrid have their deal cut when Ronaldo left?
If Rakuten plan on renegotiating the deal, it probably has more to do with their financial position or Corona than Messi.
Interestingly one could argue Messi astronomical wages could be one of reason preventing Barca to afford as many other star players in their team. With lack of star attraction under current Barca squad, there would be the lack of interest of sponsorship deal too should Messi decide to leave. Imagine if Neymar , Suarez are still in the team, or we go back to Xavi and Inesta era, hardly would Barca loss as many sponsorship deal if only Messi is leaving.I don't get how you guys can retain that opinion given what information is being revealed.
Apparently, Barca's sponsors have Messi clauses in their contracts with Barca that at times see 50% cuts in sponsoring money if Messi leaves the team next season. .
9 out of 10 shirts sold have his name on them. Sponsors pay less if Messi misses a game.
Rakuten apparently only renewed for one season last year after the Messi rumors and lowered the deal by 45%. Beko will cut the deal by 50% if Messi isn't there next season. Preseason tours in Asia, US and Africa will earn them half as much without Messi in the team.
And yes, every club has grown but none has reached Barca figures. There's a reason the club has climbed to the top spot regarding revenues. And it is obvious who's responsible for that.
Yes and no. I don't think Messi's contract hampers Barca's ability to sign star players from a budgeting perspective. The 555m over 5 years are paid continuously, not in advance. Most parts of the wage are paid monthly and you see an almost immediate return on it. So if anything, the investment actually enables them to pay a higher total salary since they're making money from it.Interestingly one could argue Messi astronomical wages could be one of reason preventing Barca to afford as many other star players in their team. With lack of star attraction under current Barca squad, there would be the lack of interest of sponsorship deal too should Messi decide to leave. Imagine if Neymar , Suarez are still in the team, or we go back to Xavi and Inesta era, hardly would Barca loss as many sponsorship deal if only Messi is leaving.