This is so true and annoying
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Saying that "height is not that important for CB" then using Cannavaro as example. It's like young people pointing out that Mark Zuckerberg was a college dropped out, and say that finishing college isn't that important to have successful career.
Except Zuckerberg isn’t the only successful person to drop out of college or even ‘high school’
What fault? His size? Its been shown in 2 videos already how he handled Nunez and Haaland. People are just trolling in this thread now.
4 of his 38 matches a season, though. Plenty of other games where his pace and ability to play on the ball will be much more useful
Until he’s getting towered by Calvert-Lewin for a late Everton equaliser at OT.
Except Zuckerberg isn’t the only successful person to drop out of college or even ‘high school’
true. Although I'd still smack my kid (if I have one) if he uses that excuse. It's a real life example, but what's the odd?Yeh. Although we've seen that kind of scene many times with Lindelof, so maybe we should get used to it
Our two decades of PL domination were represented by having 2 giant CBs. And so are most of the big teams in the world right now. Can we just start normal and being conservative with having 2 giant CBs instead of trying something "futuristic" with a shorty ball-playing CB?
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I agree. De Jong and Malacia I feel would be OK after an adaption phase. But for a CB I wouldn't want a short CB in the Premier League who could struggle most weeks with the height and physicality of many of the strikers.
It wasn’t a quote at all.
Fabio Cannavaro was 1.76 and is undoubtedly one of the best 15 defenders of all time. Martinez is 1.75. Height isn’t a problem if his leap compensates for it. Ronaldo is about 1.87 but due to his jumping skills he can get above anyone. If Varane can stay fit, he can deal with aerial balls at 1.91. I think technical ability and passing is way more important at the moment than winning headers. Martinez seems like a friendly, crazy bastard. We need that mentality through the middle.
Really wish this issue of height had been brought up earlier. We could have signed Vestergaard and Mings instead
Having 1b of talent doesn’t mean Fernandinho grows a few inches to head a set play away
Also worth noting that Zuckerberg didn't drop out of some shit college that anyone can get into, either.
What was it
True, bro. Although he finally got his (honorary) degree at the end, without attending classes. Yehh, with enough success, everything is justified in the end.
I really hope for the sake of the player we don’t sign him. I really really do, he hasn’t even signed yet and look at the pages and pages arguing about his height and most not wanting him because of that.
Imagine he missed a header (like all 6ft defenders do), got outmuscled etc he will be crucified by the so called fans.
Imagine he missed a header (like all 6ft defenders do), got outmuscled etc he will be crucified by the so called fans.
It was just a report by journalist. No quote at all.
This seems pretty quotey to me?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Pep-Guardiola-struggled-England.html?src=rss
CB isn't high on my want list of new players but if ETH wants him maybe he's vital to what ETH wants to do
Maguire is likely done for now though
Maguire is likely done for now though
Martinez has become the #1 transfer target for me. I'll be gutted if we don't land him.
They got to 100 points with Fernandinho as a CB.
Why?
I like him, and clearly it seems so does Ten Hag. But I'm not seeing him as a make or break signing.
One of the most interesting stats about martinez is his accuracy with cross field and difficult passes out to the right wing. Seeing as we have been a very left side focused team these past few seasons for creating chances, im wondering if ETH is looking at Martinez as an outlet for that right wing i order to improve our chance creation from that side of the pitch. Obviously that does require a right wided winger who can hug the touchline to allow martinez to play those balls, someone like Anthony from ajax.
I’m not saying it can’t work, Ten Hag has probably forgotten more about coaching than anyone in this thread will ever know. It’s just surprising, I mean look at this video at 0:03 seconds, the famously too-short-for-the-premier-league Daley Blind towers over him!
In a way it’s promising though. It means a total revamp in style of play. There’s no way we get away with him at centre back without dominating the ball in the opponents half, a high line etc. Also means the end of Maguire surely?
I think he’ll work with Maguire you know. Don’t you think?
Ohh so what he said is ‘’couple of physically strong athletes’’. There is no reason why wouldn’t he play Martinez as centre back since he will be paired with a strong athlete like Maguire or Varane. In addition, Ronaldo is also considered as couple of physically strong athletes. Don’t get your hope mate, there is a reason why we are linked with this guy now right after Timber’s deal is death.
It’s a strange one. Lots of back passes and just getting rid of the ball. I can’t think of anyone but Vidic who just completely broke up play and hacked the feck out of attackers. I still think if we signed him he would be a massive upgrade in midfield. Despite his aerial duels won I wouldn’t want him in defence.
Edit - Jaap Stam as well.
By all accounts he seems to like Maguire. The thing about Harry is he’s very good at taking the ball out above all so maybe that’s the attribute that might save him here.
I just think if Ten Hag is intent on pushing us forward then recoveries from balls over the top becomes more of a danger than crosses into the box since he’ll be expecting us to not to be camped in our own half.
What we might see is something from dead balls but then maybe Scott comes in to make up for the height difference and negate that somewhat?
The Dutch lad we signed seems to have a great engine to get up and down, Timber and Martinez seem to have pace to get back while being able to push the ball forward. It just screams to me that we are going on the front foot and Ten Hag is legislating for that. Thing is, if it doesn’t work then we are disjoined with a 5’10 CB under pressure from direct balls.
It’s something that can’t barely work and we get away with it. It’s either going to be a huge success or not imo
It was more this bit for me: “he completely underestimated the power and speed of the Premier League”. The fact that we’ve been in for Timber and now Martinez shows you that Ten Hag isn’t bothered by their height so he must have some sort of work around, which like I said before may involve playing him in midfield. I’m interested to see how he makes it work though, given that he’s raised those concerns in the past.
Which drives me nuts with Maguire already. I don’t really see us signing a DM and a centre back given that our budget is reportedly quite small and we’ve yet to be linked to one. Maybe this is our De Jong partner after all?
Agree with all of that. It’s going to be a radical change, if he comes in and does actually play centre back then there’ll be no half arsing things. We have to play a certain way.
One thing is for sure... he will run through a brick wall for ten hag.
we need players like that in this squad. Lead by example, it will be infectious.
we need players like that in this squad. Lead by example, it will be infectious.
I have no life so I watch a lot of European football. Martinez isn’t world class but he is a relentless tackler. He is kind of Kante but not quite as good. However he is in his prime and could still get better with a more talented squad.
i'd sign him as a CDM personally.
We can get the best of his passing, his interceptions and his fight - but not lack height where we need it.
I suspect he would be signed to play next to FDJ in midfield.
We can get the best of his passing, his interceptions and his fight - but not lack height where we need it.
I suspect he would be signed to play next to FDJ in midfield.
Power and speed has nothing to do with height. Aggression is more relevant to power and speed than height, which lot of short players can have or tends to have. So I still don't get how you come out in a conclusion using that quote that either Timber or Martinez wouldn't play as CB but instead may be involved playing in midfield??
His name popped up when Timber talks broke down. Doubt he's being signed for CDM.
It also matters where you drop out of. Bill Gates and Zuckerberg dropped out of Harvard. Not the unkown college near my home.
I believe he can help us at either DM or CB. I'm not at all sold on Maguire or Varane's ability to stay healthy. I think we bring him in and he helps tremendously either in place of those 2 or partnering FDJ in front of them. Maybe even in a back 3.
He seems just the type of modern footballer we need in that area of the pitch: tenacious, composed, great passer with vision and technical ability. Only 24 years old and would probably cost us half of what we paid for Maguire.
Its the same with the players already at the club too. Our fans seem to think Liverpool & Man City have somehow assembled a group of players who are all flawless.
I think with the lack of height he would suit playing in midfield better, however do feel there is some truth in Erik not rating him in that area of the field.
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