Given how much we need to do this guy and Timber make sense given their versatility to cover CB, DM and RB respectively.
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I would take Lisandro Martinez over Timber every day of the week - was actually quite surprised we were linked with Timber at all given Lisandro exists.
He just looks like a much better defender - more active, better in the air (despite being shorter, as if that actually matters) and for an added bonus he's left footed.
He just looks like a much better defender - more active, better in the air (despite being shorter, as if that actually matters) and for an added bonus he's left footed.
yes cause Ajax is definitely going to straight up sell their entire backline in one summer.
I never said the deals would both happen, I was pointing out that their versatility was a reason we'd be interested.
Not sure he's that impressive relative to the others. Could be very wrong though
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He’s better than Timber.
He was voted their player of the year award.
He's actually been one of their best players. And along with Daley Blind, his ability to break the lines is impressive.
Ah, I must be very wrong there then. The only Ajax games I watched were from the cup final onwards last season!
Interesting that, we must have foregone Timber all together then. Would be surprised if we still wanted him next year or in Jan if we got Martinez.
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Those stats are even more impressive when you consider it's only CL stats and he played Sporting Lisbon, Dortmund, Benfica in 6/8 games.
Really?????
And this comes out after the Timber deal is now dead in the water
So this if true
would mean we would not be going for Timber in the foreseeable future.Is he a bit of a utility man a la Blind, or does he have more of a fixed position?
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Versatile left-footed defender makes sense. Either in a back 3 or even as the partner for Maguire/Varane in a back 4.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the lack of height because he was the last man back for Ajax basically playing alone at center back a lot of the time this season, and for us he'd probably be a bit more aggressive and have a taller partner in Maguire or Varane.
I really think the best way to look at the squad is for Maguire and Varane to be sharing one position as they're both better on the ball on their natural side (particularly Varane) and with 23 games in 14 weeks to start the season, we can probably only play Varane 15 times or so at most without him falling apart.
Also maybe a way to sell Telles and just have Lisandro and Alvaro share the backup LB job with Alvaro when it's an attacking role and Lisandro when it's more of a defensive one.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the lack of height because he was the last man back for Ajax basically playing alone at center back a lot of the time this season, and for us he'd probably be a bit more aggressive and have a taller partner in Maguire or Varane.
I really think the best way to look at the squad is for Maguire and Varane to be sharing one position as they're both better on the ball on their natural side (particularly Varane) and with 23 games in 14 weeks to start the season, we can probably only play Varane 15 times or so at most without him falling apart.
Also maybe a way to sell Telles and just have Lisandro and Alvaro share the backup LB job with Alvaro when it's an attacking role and Lisandro when it's more of a defensive one.
Can play LB and DM, so yeah, though this season Ten Hag made him basically his lone true center back as they played sort of a diamond in defence with the taller Edson Alvarez shielding him as a taller DM, then Timber and Blind either side of Lisandro but getting forward more, then Mazraoui sort of tucked in and looking to get forward in the half-space that was open because Antony was so far wide on the right.
We don't know our formation yet, so it's hard to say. Ten Hag might not either til he gets a look at everyone in training and we know who we're signing.
Definitely. Plus, he;s proved himself as a part of ARG national team
Makes much more sense than Timber , considering we have two half decent options in Varane and Lindelof in his position.
This would be a Maguire / depth signing.
This would be a Maguire / depth signing.
Would be disappoined to miss out after only being linked a few days ago, but if ETH is really in for him I suppose there's only one place he'll go.
Interesting the Dutch journalist saying we haven't put in a bid mind you, when Ornstein says we did.
Interesting the Dutch journalist saying we haven't put in a bid mind you, when Ornstein says we did.
Well LVG can't ruin this one
He can play DM right? Seem to remember him mainly as one before this past season for some reason
Interestingly enough, for all the talk of height in the other thread, he's shorter than Timber
Interestingly enough, for all the talk of height in the other thread, he's shorter than Timber
How quick is he?
Martinez is much better than timber. Actually one could say that Martinez taught timber everything he knows. I think Martinez is even better than maguire. He is faster than maguire (but not varane/bailly fast). He is passes as good as maguire and defends much better. He rarely turned 180 degrees when one on one and is more press resistant. I would take martinez over pau torres given the price
Faster than Timber in chasing (without the ball). He's more developed, and mature. However, I really
think unlike Timber, there is not much room for improvement, in which his size would be liability for him if he's being used solely as a CB in PL. Feel like he needs a reverse Blind: convert to defensive midfielder. Very good at switch play, long ball.
Hopefully he wont turn out to be a new Rojo.
Wouldn't mind him at all for his versatility but I fear that would rule out us signing another Ajax player like Anthony who I feel should also be a priority this summer
As a left buck, I am sure he would be great, but he would be dominated in the premier league, for his height.
Unless of course, we play 3 at the back, and the other 2 can compensate for him.
Unless of course, we play 3 at the back, and the other 2 can compensate for him.
He's 24 right, you think he has maxed out his full potential?
Aside his not being tall what are his weaknesses in an applied sense like concentration, Tackling, aerial duel, positioning.....is he calm or an aggressive type, is his current level already good enough for a title contending side?
By the way, although shorter he seems to deal with aerial duels better than Timber.
Perhaps, I worded it wrong in my previous. I meant as a CB I don't think he would be any better than what he's shown now. He's very reliant on the system for him to work as CB. He's an aggressive defender. The way I saw ETH utilize him is similar to how LVG used Smalling: a destroyer. Will man mark until the end of the world (possession phase) even if it means to continue running into opposition half. He's not the real organizer of the defensive line.
There is a few issue with this defensive set up. Take the first leg against Benfica for an example. Chance at 70th minute and Benfica 2-2 equalizer has a common theme: Martinez man marked tightly, but then Ajax defensive unit spread too thin, Martinez had to engage the ball carrier/shooter, and left his mark. Goal scorer off the rebound was Martinez's original mark. While Benfica decoy run is a tactic touch and maybe also fixed with a more pragmatic tactic; I feel it has a certain level of Martinez' s fault of lack of situational awareness getting too tight originally then caught in no man land and let his original mark peeled off. Smalling in similar role read these situation better, and he's still way off the level of Rio in seeing through decoy.
Then box defending really requires size. Timber may play the pseudo RB role while we could maintain 2 tall CBs. If it's Martinez, I'm afraid we're doomed with Mctominay being tried as CM!
You have to wonder if it this points to an intended departure for Lindelof or Maguire? Otherwise, someone ends up in the same position as Bailly, hardly figuring at all.
I doubt it. We're not going into the season with only three centre backs. Varane has had a lot of injuries recently so we'll need plenty of cover and it also gives ten Hag the freedom to play a back three if necessary.
Let the height debate begin on Lisandro Shortinez
Well, we currently have six.
And if last season (which included significant injury time for Varane, and also some for Maguire) is anything to go by, the fourth man would see only a very small handful of games. If they're considering three at the back it's different of course.Played a season at DM and can play LB too. Would be good signing to cover many areas with our limited budget.
I doubt Ten Hag is signing him to sit on the bench or be a “fourth” option. One of the current CBs will definitely be dropped if he’s signed.Well, we currently have six.
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