Sunny Jim
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In his fantasy World He is the club captain so he cannot leave.He's 5th choice.
Surely he can't be happy with that? Especially with an international tournament next Summer.
In his fantasy World He is the club captain so he cannot leave.He's 5th choice.
Surely he can't be happy with that? Especially with an international tournament next Summer.
For those that still defend Maguire, this is why he continues to completely alienate the fanbase, even when he's not actually fecking up on the pitch. I think I'd have more respect for him if he just came out and said 'I'm on £200k a week, no-one else is going to pay me that, I still play for England so I don't give a toss about being 5th choice'.Tweet
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Genuinely hate the self delusion this guy is under
I suppose its 100k at least off your wage book and a good chance he'd perform well enough to get a decent wedge later on given his style would suit west Ham.Don’t particularly see the point in loaning him from our point of view if I’m honest. After the keeper (and hopefully a striker) it will be sell to buy for us this summer it seems. So unless we can get a centre back ourselves on loan it doesn’t seem to work.
Maybe being 5th choice will help him keep his England place, if he goes to West Ham and plays crap it gets dropped then that is worse.He's 5th choice.
Surely he can't be happy with that? Especially with an international tournament next Summer.
I think he’ll stay - I was expecting more of a desire from him to move on this summer but by all accounts, the opposite seems the case.I suppose its 100k at least off your wage book and a good chance he'd perform well enough to get a decent wedge later on given his style would suit west Ham.
At this rate its looking like either accepting West Ham or just letting him stay there. I know our new head recruiter wants Jonathon Tah and had great relationship with him and we've been linked with other CBs as well so I'm not sure Maguire is our only plan.
With ffp the way it is at West Ham I don't think we will want to go crazy on a defender this summer, I think 20m is our limit on that front as we have large gaps to fill with that Rice money.
Be interesting to see what, if anything, we do with the captaincy.He's quite a stubborn guy and not in a good way. The quality ahead of him at CB is of a far higher degree means he will remain 5th choice. I'd hate to see non toxic players being pushed out by the club but if that's what is needed and should be done.
Maybe the first thing is to choose a new captain and have the armband reflect a true leader of the squad
Anything over 2/6th of his transfer fee.I wonder how much we need to sell him for to make a profit on the books.
You’ve just gotten 105m for Declan Rice, I’d be surprised if we let you get away with pulling an Italian style turn-your-pockets-out, ‘loan but promise we’ll definitely buy him’ act. We need cash now, so it’ll be up front if he does go.With what we've got to solve this summer we aren't spending that sort of money believe me.
If I was a betting man this will end up being a loan to buy job, maybe 25 million at the end of the loan if it suits.
It us a Moyes style buy, but high chance he won't be here next year and that will factor into things.
Edit - paqueta is not on that much, its about 130k. I think we'd go to about 120k for Maguire due to his experience.
The point about Moyes is a good one, but I do think most managers would still pick Maguire at West Ham if he was available to them.With what we've got to solve this summer we aren't spending that sort of money believe me.
If I was a betting man this will end up being a loan to buy job, maybe 25 million at the end of the loan if it suits.
It us a Moyes style buy, but high chance he won't be here next year and that will factor into things.
Edit - paqueta is not on that much, its about 130k. I think we'd go to about 120k for Maguire due to his experience.
His lack of agility and pace in 1v1 situations will be more visible when we are expected to play a higher line this season without DDG in goal.I think he'll be much better without DDG in goal, not saying he'll start every game but he'll be given 1 last year to see
So like over 25-30 millionAnything over 2/6th of his transfer fee.
We are on UFEA watch list and we have alot of gaps that that 100 is going to need to fill (probably a CM, DM, LM, CB, maybe a striker). There is a reason why we haven't got anyone in yet, that 100m is most of our transfer budget, perhaps a little more for the right player if it comes to it.You’ve just gotten 105m for Declan Rice, I’d be surprised if we let you get away with pulling an Italian style turn-your-pockets-out, ‘loan but promise we’ll definitely buy him’ act. We need cash now, so it’ll be up front if he does go.
Break even was calculated at 27M so if they offer us that and a Tesco cheese and onion sandwich it is a done deal.So like over 25-30 million
Yeah I was just going to say this. Neither Licha or Shaw are playing RCB so he’s basically got to try and oust Lindelof as the main backup to Varane.He isn't '5th' choice. He's 2nd or 3rd at right CB behind the unreliable Varane, up against the average at best Lindelof. The idea that he's miles from a starting spot for us isn't exactly true.
Several CM/DM types somewhere in the region of 30-45 million (Palhinha, James Ward Prowse, Alvarez, I'd put your very own McTominay towards the bottom of that range as well) Zakaria seems quite likely at this point as you say so Zakaria plus one of those above, probably an outlay between them of 50-60 million there. We are after another LM as Moyes wants a more direct goal scoring player there (thats why we were linked to Barnes, Newcastle did want him but thats gone dead) seems like we are budgeting 25-40 million there as well and then another CB to rotate/start for/with Zouma and Aguerd.The point about Moyes is a good one, but I do think most managers would still pick Maguire at West Ham if he was available to them.
I've only seen West Ham being linked to Maguire, McTominay and Zakaria this summer. Who else are you being linked to that makes you think you won't spend big on individual players, out of interest?
He’ll fail his West Ham medical on deadline day because his head will get stuck in the MRI machine
Linde fits the team and has been quite good under Ten Hag. Maguire is like De Gea in that he prevents us from playing how our manager wants us to.He isn't '5th' choice. He's 2nd or 3rd at right CB behind the unreliable Varane, up against the average at best Lindelof. The idea that he's miles from a starting spot for us isn't exactly true.
I'd rather demote him to the U23s for the season if we cannot force a sale. If we get desperate over the course of the season he's here. Pointless going on a heavily subsidised loan to West Ham only to get him back next season.Tweet
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Martinez > Varane > Lindelof > Shaw > Maguire. I'd almost prefer to keep Bailey who I rate as a better, faster player aside from the occasional brain fade. Maguire has all the pace of an oil tanker with a wider turning radius.He isn't '5th' choice. He's 2nd or 3rd at right CB behind the unreliable Varane, up against the average at best Lindelof. The idea that he's miles from a starting spot for us isn't exactly true.
He's third choice right cb and fourth choice left cb. I very much doubt he will play a lot next season. I think we're stuck with him this summer. It will be interesting to see what Southgate does. Maguire may get over his delusion and push for a move in January if Southgate actually drops him for England heading into the Euros.He isn't '5th' choice. He's 2nd or 3rd at right CB behind the unreliable Varane, up against the average at best Lindelof. The idea that he's miles from a starting spot for us isn't exactly true.
Don't be coming on here with your realistic, factual assessment of the situation. It's not going to be popular.He isn't '5th' choice. He's 2nd or 3rd at right CB behind the unreliable Varane, up against the average at best Lindelof. The idea that he's miles from a starting spot for us isn't exactly true.
Yep, we’ve already seen Shaw is ahead of him. Anything else is nonsense. If you’re third choice behind in a position then you’re nowhere near the starting 11He's third choice right cb and fourth choice left cb. I very much doubt he will play a lot next season. I think we're stuck with him this summer. It will be interesting to see what Southgate does. Maguire may get over his delusion and push for a move in January if Southgate actually drops him for England heading into the Euros.
Don't be coming on here with your realistic, factual assessment of the situation. It's not going to be popular.
We had a lot of injuries at the back unfortunately.He played 17 games worth of minutes last season with most of them coming early on
I don't believe for a second that he genuinely thinks he can fight his way back into the team. He's either posturing for a payoff or happy to sit on his contract.
LichaHe isn't '5th' choice. He's 2nd or 3rd at right CB behind the unreliable Varane, up against the average at best Lindelof. The idea that he's miles from a starting spot for us isn't exactly true.