Maguire | he stays!

[lilcurt]

His contract is not performance related. The club took a risk giving him the contract. It doesn’t matter if he hasn’t played for the five years or not. As far as Harry is concerned, he hasn’t violated the contract and it’s a fixed-term contract, so he is owed that money.

Exactly, it is a fixed term contract on the bases he is an employee of the club for the term of the contract. He both parties decide to end the contract early (a transfer), then he isn't "due" the difference in pay, this is just something he is asking for to agree to leave, it isn't a legal right.

It just demonstrates that short term money is more important to him than his playing career. He is being offered a four-year contract at West Ham which is more money than we are due to pay him over the long term. He just doesn't back himself, never had the right mentality.

 

[Ikon]

It just demonstrates that short term money is more important to him than his playing career. He is being offered a four-year contract at West Ham which is more money than we are due to pay him over the long term. He just doesn't back himself, never had the right mentality.

Any footballer that is content to sit on his arse, rather than actually play football and further his career, clearly has a piss poor mentality.

 

[Revan]

And gets a bigger signing on fee as a free agent.

At 32, having been a squad player (at best) on his last three seasons?

 

[Kaos]

He's literally entitled to it by the contract.

He might be completely lacking anything that would inspire a fan, but he does have a contract.

Of course he is, by law he isn't required to leave at all. I'm merely differentiating between De Jong's case (which was deferred wages) and Harry's, which is a player who doesn't want to move to a club where he'd take a paycut.

Is it understandable on his part? Yes absolutely. But as a United fan I find it hard not to hold him in contempt for scuppering our summer business. By refusing to move it deprives us of funds to upgrade on him.

 

[Wilt]

And gets a bigger signing on fee as a free agent.

Yes, quite likely

 

[parmenio]

Maguire should look at deGea he’s a free and not exactly a que of clubs looking to sign him up. 4 years at WHU is not to be sniffed at. He could prob stretch that to 5 if he wanted to but no doubt his agent is giving advice that’s linked to money not career.

 

[resimad7]

The more I thought about it the more I thought what’s the point in selling Maguire for us just to buy a 4th choice replacement that would cost upwards of 40m plus the 7m Maguire layoff? We literally might as well just keep Maguire as 4th choice.

we should only sell him if we are using the 30m to strengthen the midfield or ST departments.

 

[SmallCaine]

TenHag has to do what someone like mourinho would do. Make him understand he won't even be on the bench anymore, don't register him for Europe. He leaves or he rots in the reserves.

 

[Alemar]

TenHag has to do what someone like mourinho would do. Make him understand he won't even be on the bench anymore, don't register him for Europe. He leaves or he rots in the reserves.

Exactly.

 

[Fridge chutney]

It's actually being reported as high as £15 million.

Feck him. This decision is an admittance that he doesn't care about getting dropped for England, blasé attitude about wanting to actually get game time (because he won't be getting it if he stays) and wants to blackmail the club for money be knows would be invested to make an improvement to the team (shows a complete disdain about the club and it's journey for success.)

So he's lied about wanting to play, lied about respect and wanting to represent England, lied about his respect and love for the club.

He's a scab and deserves no respect from anyone.

Why should he walk away from £15M? Most people wouldn't make such a decision, nor should Maguire. This is on the club.

 

[Giggsy13]

Any footballer that is content to sit on his arse, rather than actually play football and further his career, clearly has a piss poor mentality.

His actions in Greece along with his comments before the game at anfield in 2022 validated everyone’s view of him. He’s not a leader nor worthy of wearing the United shirt.

 

[Giggsy13]

TenHag has to do what someone like mourinho would do. Make him understand he won't even be on the bench anymore, don't register him for Europe. He leaves or he rots in the reserves.

ten Hag has done a lot right but his handling of Maguire at this stage makes him look weak and completely off the mark. The fact he named him to the bench and then opened the door for his return is fairly pathetic. Be ruthless, get your replacement in and tell Maguire he’s finished.

 

[izak]

Why is the British media treating him like he's some saint?

Imagine this was Pogba a lot more people would have called him Out as a stupid money grabber.

 

[Satissh12]

Was this a briefing to get it moving again?

 

[Enigma_87]

He's literally entitled to it by the contract.

He might be completely lacking anything that would inspire a fan, but he does have a contract.

He’s literally not. He hasn’t served his contract to be entitled for that amount.
You are essentially saying - let him get another contract during the time he’s supposed to serve the United one(albeit less paid one), but get the money from both parties ? Well feck that. If he wants to get United money then the club has a strong position as well - let him sit in the stands for 2 years, his value will be close to zero and he will not get anywhere near even 100k contract after that.

the current contract will then be his golden parachute.

But no - the twat wants to receive money from United for a contract he hasn’t served, receive money from West Ham, playing for them, protecting his value, even reviving his career and place in the NT and even why not get another good value contract in his 30s..

 

[teague]

As I understand it he still has a book value of £26.6M so if we only recoup £23M on his sale, we actually make a loss and have less to spend, due to FFP limitaitons.

If we don't sell him we have an FFP hit of 24.5m per year for the next two years.
13.3m transfer fee amortisation and 11.2m wages (190k per week plus employers' NIC).

If we sell him for a net £23m we have an FFP hit of 3.6m. So we are definitely much better off selling him from an FFP point of view. 45m+ over two years.

Of course we would then have the cost of replacing him...

 

[DavelinaJolie]

Was this a briefing to get it moving again?

Well according to the press it's off and West Ham have moved on, so I doubt it.

 

[do.ob]

He’s literally not. He hasn’t served his contract to be entitled for that amount.
You are essentially saying - let him get another contract during the time he’s supposed to serve the United one(albeit less paid one), but get the money from both parties ? Well feck that. If he wants to get United money then the club has a strong position as well - let him sit in the stands for 2 years, his value will be close to zero and he will not get anywhere near even 100k contract after that.

the current contract will then be his golden parachute.

But no - the twat wants to receive money from United for a contract he hasn’t served, receive money from West Ham, playing for them, protecting his value, even reviving his career and place in the NT and even why not get another good value contract in his 30s..

Do you think 7m is the value left on his contract?

 

[DavelinaJolie]

He’s literally not. He hasn’t served his contract to be entitled for that amount.
You are essentially saying - let him get another contract during the time he’s supposed to serve the United one(albeit less paid one), but get the money from both parties ? Well feck that. If he wants to get United money then the club has a strong position as well - let him sit in the stands for 2 years, his value will be close to zero and he will not get anywhere near even 100k contract after that.

the current contract will then be his golden parachute.

But no - the twat wants to receive money from United for a contract he hasn’t served, receive money from West Ham, playing for them, protecting his value, even reviving his career and place in the NT and even why not get another good value contract in his 30s..

Missing out on 30 million and having an asset you refuse to use isn't really that strong a position. Maguire, if he's sensible, will be set for life with the money he has made.

 

[CallyRed]

Could we not give him 20,000 scratch cards or something.

 

[Enigma_87]

Why should he walk away from £15M? Most people wouldn't make such a decision, nor should Maguire. This is on the club.

Because he won’t get another 100k contract ever after this. If he doesn’t want to move and rot in the reserves, he’s essentially retired after this.

What contract did Bogarde sign after Chelsea stint?

 

[whitbyviking]

Ah ok, in that case I've spoke with your boss. Apparently they don't like you. But not to worry, I've found you a new job, I'm sure you'll like it more but you'll take home 50% less money and you need to move 200 miles away. I'm sure you'll jump at the chance to move though, right?

This type of scenario plays out in industry very frequently. Or people are no longer considered to be performing at their job and are let go. Footballer contracts are far more protective towards them than a normal freelance employment contract would be.

 

[Stobzilla]

Why is the British media treating him like he's some saint?

Because he is white.

 

[JB7]

This type of scenario plays out in industry very frequently. Or people are no longer considered to be performing at their job and are let go. Footballer contracts are far more protective towards them than a normal freelance employment contract would be.

That would be because they aren't freelance contracts, they are contracts of employment.

 

[Plastic Evra]

As I understand it he still has a book value of £26.6M so if we only recoup £23M on his sale, we actually make a loss and have less to spend, due to FFP limitaitons.

I suspect the nominal transfer fee is not affected by the discussed potential compensation and it's maybe accounted in different lines or columns. Which is why United didn't bite at 20 (despite West Ham then being able to pay a bigger upfront bonus) but is OK with 30m£ because on the books remaining amortisation is paid for. In reality the actual final balance is lesser but that comes from another pot which might fly for FFP.

I'll let someone more familiar with accounting confirm or infirm... Accounting is of course keeping count of the balance but a lot of it is also a matter of following preset formatting and rules in how you present all operations.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Because he won’t get another 100k contract ever after this. If he doesn’t want to move and rot in the reserves, he’s essentially retired after this.

What contract did Bogarde sign after Chelsea stint?

If that's the case, he should definitely get the most out of his 180k/week salary + the natural brand benefit of being associated with a global institution like United.

He can then earn a good wage at a lower table Premier League or Championship club and he will almost certainly walk away ahead in this scenario over the scenario where he leaves £7M+ on the table to join West Ham.

 

[Enigma_87]

Missing out on 30 million and having an asset you refuse to use isn't really that strong a position. Maguire, if he's sensible, will be set for life with the money he has made.

The asset is not worth 30 for clubs that can pay him 200k. For those who can pay him 100k he’s apparently worth around 23m.

If he won’t move till the end of the month his value will approach 0 next year.

 

[Enigma_87]

Do you think 7m is the value left on his contract?

If we don’t sell him till the end of the month that’s probably about it.

 

[Ghostrider318]

KDB is out for a 'couple of months' as per Pep. So they might accelerate the Paqueta deal which gives WHU about 188 (?) million to spend. Surely we would be mugs to sell them Maguire for 30m and then pay Maguire the rumoured 7/10/15 odd million....Ask WHU to pay up

 

[Chesterlestreet]

If that's the case, he should definitely get the most out of his 180k/week salary + the natural brand benefit of being associated with a global institution like United.

He's mainly associated with memes at the moment.

That should not be underestimated.

And he won't shake that off until he a) proves everyone wrong and becomes a starter for ETH (not bloody likely) or b) proves himself to be a decent player elsewhere (which he could at the right club).

 

[Enigma_87]

If that's the case, he should definitely get the most out of his 180k/week salary + the natural brand benefit of being associated with a global institution like United.

Associated in a bad way though.

He can then earn a good wage at a lower table Premier League or Championship club and he will almost certainly walk away ahead in this scenario over the scenario where he leaves £7M+ on the table to join West Ham.

I’m not sure about that and that would be 1 year at best. Who is going to pay him a big salary with the sense he would not give his best and he can essentially sit on his arse to pick up the payckeck..

 

[utdalltheway]

If he thought the booing was bad in pre season....

 

[soralapio]

First off, I will always side with the worker over the employer. If Maguire wants to stay, he is 100% entitled to the stupidly large contract United foolishly gave him. No arguments about that. What he isn't entitled to is a pay off to move elsewhere. He can stay and have his current contract, or leave and get whatever contract his next club is willing to give to him, and that's it. United owe him nothing in that case.

Also, I believe that if he stays, he is either purely motivated by money, or delusional. There is no universe in which he wins back his spot. He will never be a first choice (or even second choice) defender for Manchester United again, much less the captain. He is completely unsuited for the style of football we want to play, and he's not going to suddenly become faster, more agile etc at the age of 30. He's only going to get worse. I realize that in order to make it in sports you have to have incredibly high self-confidence, but this is ludicrous.

 

[DavelinaJolie]

The asset is not worth 30 for clubs that can pay him 200k. For those who can pay him 100k he’s apparently worth around 23m.

If he won’t move till the end of the month his value will approach 0 next year.

I don't see how this bolsters your original post I quoted, where you said the club have a strong position too?

 

[moses]

At 32, having been a squad player (at best) on his last three seasons?

Yep. No transfer fee. It's good leverage.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Just negotiated an hour to save about 50 dollar on a laptop, so i can see why.

 

[December_16]

Because he won’t get another 100k contract ever after this. If he doesn’t want to move and rot in the reserves, he’s essentially retired after this.

What contract did Bogarde sign after Chelsea stint?

I just read Bogarde’s Wiki page, didn’t realize he retired after Chelsea. Fun fact, he was made assistant coach by none other than Eric ten Hag at Ajax. Maybe once his two years are up, Maguire will join our coaching staff?

 

[Gandalf]

Well according to the press it's off and West Ham have moved on, so I doubt it.

According to the press it can be revived but for now they are looking elsewhere because Maguire is deadlocked with United over compensation. Sounds exactly like a briefing to get it moving in all honesty, reach a compromise asap or we sign someone else, pretty clear message to the club and Maguire.

 

[Fridge chutney]

He's mainly associated with memes at the moment.

That should not be underestimated.

And he won't shake that off until he a) proves everyone wrong and becomes a starter for ETH (not bloody likely) or b) proves himself to be a decent player elsewhere (which he could at the right club).

But if he is so shit, then b) isn't likely either. Regardless, he is at his lowest ebb right now and West Ham are STILL willing to pay £30M and 100k/week for him, so it is unlikely there won't be a host of suitors for him in 2-3 years time.

All this goes to show that Maguire is well within his right to demand what is owed to him contractually.

He is also being smart game theoretically, so fair play to him.

 

[Escobar]

ten Hag has done a lot right but his handling of Maguire at this stage makes him look weak and completely off the mark. The fact he named him to the bench and then opened the door for his return is fairly pathetic. Be ruthless, get your replacement in and tell Maguire he’s finished.

Ever managed people?