He is only legally entitled to that money of he stays here. If we agree to sell him and he goes he isn't entitled to it.I wonder if people are in Maguire's shoes, will they just give up the salary they are legally entitled to and just accept a reduced salary somewhere else without negotiation.
I think he'll go too. Don't care as long as he doesn't play.Exactly. Not sure why everyone is lashing out at him. I still think he will move before the end of the window, possibly on loan. With all the ACL injuries, there could be a more of them in the next two weeks and who knows what club will need an emergency England CB (for now).
But he doesn't agree with the transfer without negotiation, isn't it? It is United no longer want his service,and why the employee in this case needs to take the consequence of reduced salary without compensation?He is only legally entitled to that money of he stays here. If we agree to sell him and he goes he isn't entitled to it.
He trying to have his cake and eat it. Either stay and be in the reserves or leave without the payoff. It isn't the clubs fault he can't prove his value to another club on his current wage.
He doesn’t belong here and should understand it. Otherwise - perhaps he’s just sit on Man Utd bench for the last timeBut he doesn't agree with the transfer without negotiation, isn't it?
He can negotiate with the club sure. But we are 100% in our rights to say either go or rot in the reserves.But he doesn't agree with the transfer without negotiation, isn't it?
Utd owe him the money though. It’s his. Sounds as much like Utd trying not to pay what they agreed to pay, as it does Maguire being primarily motivated by money.He can negotiate with the club sure. But we are 100% in our rights to say either go or rot in the reserves.
It comes down to if the player has any ambition and the mentality to play and succeed. It is becoming apparent that money is his primary driver.
Sure, no problem with him demanding to get x amount of money for him to leave.
At the same time, I think we are completely within our right to completely omit him from the team. Which is what many other clubs do when they want to incentivize a player to leave.
Can you explain how they owe him the money?Utd owe him the money though. It’s his. Sounds as much like Utd trying not to pay what they agreed to pay, as it does Maguire being primarily motivated by money.
He can rot in reserves if he wants what is “owed” to him. He is in this situation because he has performed poorly and no decent club will pay him the wages he is on. If he cant see that and wants the money, then he can kiss bye his career for next two years. It shouldn’t matter because he is throwing hissy fits for 70k per week more money despite earning millions alreadyUtd owe him the money though. It’s his. Sounds as much like Utd trying not to pay what they agreed to pay, as it does Maguire being primarily motivated by money.
Maybe trying to save his value till the end of the window? Last night having Lindelof put on instead of him was telling once again.Yep him staying at the club and rotting the next 2 years will cost him a fair bit too if he's genuinely rotting in the team. I think our proposal of meeting him halfway seems very fair for all parties. Maguire choosing the lose-lose option is pretty toxic in my books.
This is why I don't understand why ETH is seemingly giving him an option to stay at the club. If he's clear that Maguire will rot away in the reserves then this may change the outcome. As of now Maguire gets to enjoy the best of both worlds of playing a bit part role and cashing in, then getting a final decent payday in 2 years'.
My point is that if he fits in the reserves for two years he won’t even get close to 50k let alone 100k. I’m not sure even a PL club would offer him part time contract and in lower leagues he’ll get 10-20k at best.He doesn't need 100k/week to come out ahead in 2 years. He'll most likely get less but by staying at United, he won't need an additional 1-2 years on 100k to climb out of the 90k/week x 2 or 3 years hole that he leaves on the table by walking away from his current contract
Not really, Lindelof’s simply a better player than him, that’s why he starts ahead of Maguire, nothing to do with the manager sending him a message.Maybe trying to save his value till the end of the window? Last night having Lindelof put on instead of him was telling once again.
No it’s not his. It’s his on the basis he does his job for the club over the next two years.Utd owe him the money though. It’s his. Sounds as much like Utd trying not to pay what they agreed to pay, as it does Maguire being primarily motivated by money.
They are not entitled for future salary ffs.I wonder if people are in Maguire's shoes, will they just give up the salary they are legally entitled to and just accept a reduced salary somewhere else without negotiation.
Why? I used to have a lot of sympathy for him as I thought people were deriding him just because he wasn’t playing football well despite trying his best. I even gave him a massive cheer when he came on at Wembley against Newcastle.this is a really bad opinion
Of course they wouldn't. It would be good to negotiate with many of the buy high, sell cheap impatient posters in the transfer forum though.I wonder if people are in Maguire's shoes, will they just give up the salary they are legally entitled to and just accept a reduced salary somewhere else without negotiation.
That's the message. He's last in the pecking order, he's actually 5th choice behind Shaw when Malacia is available.Not really, Lindelof’s simply a better player than him, that’s why he starts ahead of Maguire, nothing to do with the manager sending him a message.
While I agree with your statement, I hope we are not the kind of club that punishes players by throwing them on the reserve team.Maguire negotiated a contract with West Ham who dont value him at the same level. He is only entitled to get that extra money if he stays. There is no legal binding aspect here that United should compensate him for his failure and consequently poor evaluation from his future employer.
If he doesn’t want to let go off the money, let him stay and rot in reserve. Many players move on with reduction in salary as their worth decreases. United needs to take the financial hit and remind all players that this isn’t charity. If you don't perform on the level of your contract, then you wont be compensated on leaving.
He's entitled to stay and get paid as per his contract so he is entitled to that money. If we want to get rid of him, he doesn't want to go and the pay cut is massive he's right to ask for a sweetener. I'd think less of him if he didn't.They are not entitled for future salary ffs.
if I was in his shoes I’d want to play and not be a constant meme and hated even from the own fans.
Of course there’s no rule that we have to compensate him. But if he stays, it’s our loss as well as his.Maguire negotiated a contract with West Ham who dont value him at the same level. He is only entitled to get that extra money if he stays. There is no legal binding aspect here that United should compensate him for his failure and consequently poor evaluation from his future employer.
If he doesn’t want to let go off the money, let him stay and rot in reserve. Many players move on with reduction in salary as their worth decreases. United needs to take the financial hit and remind all players that this isn’t charity. If you dont perform on the level of your contract, then you wont be compensated on leaving.
That's the thing though. Our back line is fairly injury prone. He will be needed at some point during the season, unfortunately. As much as I don't like it, there is a reason he's able to sit on the bench instead of being pushed into the reserves. He will play at some point.That's the message. He's last in the pecking order, he's actually 5th choice behind Shaw when Malacia is available.
There are limits to what can be done in terms of forcing players out, there are potential penalties for clubs who banish players to the reserves etc. but there is no reason to name him in a matchday squad. If Lindelof and a fullback are on the bench we are fine, Victor is the sub for the CB position and in an emergency bring on Dalot or Williams or whoever and move Shaw to the CB position. If he is not named in a matchday squad for the next 2 weeks and especially if he is not named in the next England squad then he might finally wake up to the reality of his situation. This is not even forcing him out to be fair as playing someone else at LB and using Shaw as our 4th choice CB is actually the better footballing decision.Extremely disappointing. You just know he will cost us again this season when we need to rotate.
Why does it have to go this way? Why not enter into negotiation with good will for a win-win situation, instead of winner take all approach? Of course money is his primary driver but so does Man Utd. In the end if he stays then both parties lose. He won't play in the next 2 years, and Utd will miss the 30 million transfer fee and 20 million in wages, just because of the 7 million payout/compensation.He can negotiate with the club sure. But we are 100% in our rights to say either go or rot in the reserves.
It comes down to if the player has any ambition and the mentality to play and succeed. It is becoming apparent that money is his primary driver.
It will be one time loss but it will send a proper message. Otherwise we will be compensating every tom dick and harry for a long time for performing poorlyOf course there’s no rule that we have to compensate him. But if he stays, it’s our loss as well as his.
That’s why We have to come to a compromise on how much we pay him.
Yes. I would.He's entitled to stay and get paid as per his contract so he is entitled to that money. If we want to get rid of him, he doesn't want to go and the pay cut is massive he's right to ask for a sweetener. I'd think less of him if he didn't.
Are you telling me you'd go to a lesser team with half the wages? You'd just suck it up, would you?
Yeah I still hope he will leave this month. If not, let's pray Licha and Varane don't get injured at the same time.There are limits to what can be done in terms of forcing players out, there are potential penalties for clubs who banish players to the reserves etc. but there is no reason to name him in a matchday squad. If Lindelof and a fullback are on the bench we are fine, Victor is the sub for the CB position and in an emergency bring on Dalot or Williams or whoever and move Shaw to the CB position. If he is not named in a matchday squad for the next 2 weeks and especially if he is not named in the next England squad then he might finally wake up to the reality of his situation. This is not even forcing him out to be fair as playing someone else at LB and using Shaw as our 4th choice CB is actually the better footballing decision.
We definitely need to replace him so yeah he has some bargaining power. I'd rather we paid the man and got someone else but it depends how close we are to FFP limits. This could all be brinkmanship though and the deal could still get done. West Ham looking at other targets smacks of a negotiating tactic to hurry us up. They aren't going to get another deal over the line in a couple of days either so this will rumble on for the week at least I'd say.That's the thing though. Our back line is fairly injury prone. He will be needed at some point during the season, unfortunately. As much as I don't like it, there is a reason he's able to sit on the bench instead of being pushed into the reserves. He will play at some point.
This is probably why he's able to negotiate the remainder of his contract.
The win, win is for him to go to West Ham. Play week in, week out and get paid £100k per week mate...Why does it have to go this way? Why not enter into negotiation with good will for a win-win situation, instead of winner take all approach? Of course money is his primary driver but so does Man Utd. In the end if he stays then both parties lose. He won't play in the next 2 years, and Utd will miss the 30 million transfer fee and 20 million in wages, just because of the 7 million payout/compensation.
honestly even then im betting we would see lindelof-shaw pairing come back and someone else slide back in at LBYeah I still hope he will leave this month. If not, let's pray Licha and Varane don't get injured at the same time.
Anyone who willingly takes a 50% pay-cut without compensation when they've two years left on their contract isn't very bright.Yes. I would.
He’s gonna have no first team football for years, everyone hates him, and he’s not getting any younger.
Yes I’d take a pay cut and try progress my career rather than holding my team to ransom because nobody wants to pay me the stupid salary I’m not worth. Boohoo, I’m getting paid 40% less of the already stupid amount of money I’m on…oh how will I deal with life? Get a grip man.
