His system has nothing to do with it. Any manager being compared to Ferguson will obviously get reactions on a United forum. We see it in the Zidane thread for example. The only difference is that Zidane doesn’t get discussed here that often as he is not managing in the Premier League.
Yep.
sure, I think Ferguson and Pep are so similar, both absolutely fantastic league managers but their records in Europe should be better than what they are given the talent they have managed.
I actually think Ferguson is more similar to Ancelotti (in his prime) and Zidane than Pep, even though Ferguson has a much better league record than Ancelotti and Ancelotti and Zidane have better records in Europe.
why's that?
The Champions League is a cup competition, though. Judging someone's dominance on cup competitions always seemed inane. Ferguson won 13 premier leagues and built 4 great teams. Guardiola is about to win his 9th title in a top 5 league.
What Zidane is doing with a talented and experienced, but also a bit past it squad with some mediocre players - playing to their strengths - is what Ferguson did especially from 2010-2013.
That boring stuff again. And let me guess: Excellent man management is enough to win 4 European trophies and 16 league titles over 3 decades? The rest came from his assistants who all magically didn’t even come close to his success without him (just because they were lacking man management skills)? Sounds legit.
I sorta agree with you on some parts, but his starting position at City was still far, far ahead of managers at their equivalent clubs. You could make an honest case for Pellegrini underperforming considering the squad he had at his disposal (and even then, they won the league the season before). Before Pep had even signed a player, they already had Kompany, Sterling, David Silva, Aguero, Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, and Kevin de Bruyne at the club. Having that to start with and then being able to spend close to £1bn in 5 seasons is going to give you an advantage that no other team can really compete with.
It seems for some United fans Pep vs Queiroz would be a better comparison
Exactly. People are desperate to play down Fergie’s achievements and fecking anoint Pep as the greatest thing to ever happen to football. He isn’t on Sir Alex’s level, not now not ever.
Disagree but let's see how the final goes as I think Tuchel (if Chelsea go through) will test them. City are not as good as 2/3 years ago but they more pragmatic so maybe that's the balance they need for the CL. If you think this City team are even close to Pep's Barca, in the words of Jose, I have nussin' to say.
Obviously, we all saw how the head to head went.
Getting quality subordinates is one of the most important qualities of man management. Getting the best out of your staff is man management.
I see. So Ole must be a better technical coach than Pep then or at least on the same level.
A top quality coach should be successful on his own.
I think they are better now tbh.
It’s the most expensive squad for a reason, they have like 4-5 50-60m players.
Nah no way.
Would you still feel this way if he doesn’t win the Champions League this year?
Its more than that...
Summed up just about right
Bang on. To be fair to him he has actually said this himself.
Read this below without cringing yourself inside out. This was posted the morning after they reached the CL final. The biggest event in their entire history. Instead of celebrating or basking in the joy of their semi final win, he thought to himself, I know what we good to do. I'll write a letter to Manchester United fans. Yeah, because that would be a normal thing to do. No, not weird at all.I had a quick look on that Blue Moan forum to see how they were looking forward to the CL final, but all I could find were threads about us.
Even the threads that weren't about us to begin with, ended up being about us in the end. Even the Glazer protest, they have somehow attributed it to
being all about stopping them from winning the title!! Nothing to do with the maximum exposure of getting the PL's biggest global fixture called off, and spreading the message worldwide in one fell swoop. Nope, we wanted to stop Phil Foden from tweeting a picture of his eyebrows with a glass of champagne!! You've rumbled us, lads!!
There does seem to be a bizarre group of oddballs on there, who are like jilted ex-lovers who can't seem to let go of their bitterness. They have something that can only be described as "Rag Tourette's".
This is where everything that happens in their entire existence, funnels towards the same conclusion. My cat has died, "Rags!". My Tesco delivery was late, "Rags!" Nobody cares when we win a game, "Rags!" I lost my job, "Rags!"
The best tin foil hat conspiracy today was the one that our 79 year old, 8 years retired, ex manager was giving motivational speeches to PSG's foreign legion of hired mercenaries. Just think about that for a second. "Och, Neymar, make sure ye cut in on yer right, as ye cannee shoot with yer left."
Fergie and Pochettino happen to be friends going back a decade. The way these people's minds work is truly psychotic.
It must be so tiresome to be on that forum, it was for me and I was only on there for a few minutes. All threads merge into the same subject matter. Not only is it dull and repetitive, it is weird. Prestwich Blue and Karen need to seek professional help. Others too. I think they all get energy from each others miserable outlook on everything.
Instead of celebrating their new found fortune, they are still crying in the rain, watching their ex partner through the kitchen window.
"Look at me, I've been to the Gym. I've got muscles now, and I've dyed my hair (with a slightly blue tinge.) I have new teeth, and I don't cry wank anymore. Please give me some credit, please notice that I exist. Please....please...."
If Pep was our coach we wouldn't have the squad we have. Can you imagine him giving a Lukaku transfer the green light?One!! And first semi in 5 years, no idea why you are writing finals.
And to answer your question, no, Ole wouldn’t have won 3 league titles as he is not as good as Pep, but he would have probably won 1 or 2. Even Pellegrini won a title.
But then Pep would have not won 3 titles at United with our squad (like he has done at City).
And he would not have achieved Klopp‘s success at Liverpool with Klopp‘s spending.
So club structure and having owners who care about success on the pitch do matter a lot. Otherwise the manager has to get a lot of things right with small margin for error in order to compensate for the incompetence of the owners.
Rival fans who moans about caf should be sent to forum like bluemoan.
£400m on defense alone. £450m if you wanna throw the goalkeepers in, too. The thing is with City, it's not just the amount of money they've spent, it's the fact that there is absolutely no risk at all in their transfers. By which I mean, if they feck up and buy a dud (which they have) there zero consequences to that. They're not going to go into serious debt spending and spending (like Barca have, basically), they're not going to have to curb their spending in the next transfer window because they fecked up the previous one. There's no sense of "well, we got you that player now make it work" from the owners. That's a privileged position that no other team in the world can compete with (apart from PSG, probably)
It wouldn’t shock me the fact they’re still so obsessed with us is a result of cognitive dissonance, deep down they know their club haven’t earnt anything and it’s a hollow victory. In a way I feel bad for them, it’s not like it’s their fault they got taken over.
How’s that? Pep has won 9 leagues in 3 top leagues. About to win his third European cup. Probably will go down as the best coach in history because he isn’t slowing down is he.
I'd be interested to hear why you think that? PL is weaker than ever this year with covid and they have no real competition, City have the biggest and best squad and yet they are going to be nowhere near their record points total. They will score less, and concede more than in both of those campaigns as well. That's with the added break they had which I do think should factor in here as well. Domestically they are nowhere near where they were in my opinion - they are extremely functional and much more solid defensively but I don't think they're at the same level.
They free to do so but it doesn't make their point any more valid.
