Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by RedMachine03, Mar 29, 2018.
Hahahaha, very good question!
I see what you’re saying, and it may be easy to identify obvious (expensive) targets, but we’ve utterly failed at that over the last six years and three managers. We had 7 mediocre CB’s at the club, yes we needed to solidify that position. RB was an absolute necessity as well, and James is looking to be a good bit of business. People can try and deny Ole credit for signing “obvious” good players for a lot of money, but it sure as hell beats Di Maria and Sanchez.
But these players have done nothing they aren't successful signings, they may be in 2 or 3 years but today they are obvious and expensive signings playing for a team that is below average. Di Maria in November 2014 was a far better signing than all of these players put together though. Matic, Bailly, Lukaku, Pogba or Ibrahimovic were all seen considered the way you are considering Ole's signings. None of them have been particularly good, none of them have made our team better, at least not a degree where we would praise Ole and if they did two of them are close among the most expensive players in their positions, that's not how you build a team, it's a terrible model to follow.
Or Britain leave EU and join SA?
South Africa, South America or South Australia?
I dont see Woodward ever appointing a DOF, unless the Glazers tell him to.
I follow NY sports here in USA, baseball/NFL stuff. A lot of them are a disaster and a common thread for the disaster teams is ownership wishing to be involved in decision making. Consequently they hire GMs and even coaches who say what the owners want to hear and who are willing to give owners a say in running things which is of course a disaster obviously. And a lot of these owners/GMs want to be people who are credited with the winning and so are reluctant to hire the obvious exceptional brilliant coach who knows more than them cuz then a) they are sidelined rightly so b) the coach gets more credit. So they make mistake after mistake hiring the wrong GMs and coaches and keep going on never ending rebulids. Which are harder in a salary cap sport.
Now our situation is not the exact same but similar. Woodward wants to be the guy who gets us to glory, so hiring someone like Rangnick would mean ceding control and who will then get the credit for our success. At least in our case it does not appear that owners get involved so badly. But fundamentally the football side of things are under the control of a guy who is not a football guy to begin with. And I don't see that changing on his own volition.
Yeah, the longer they leave hiring competent people the worse it will reflect on them once they finally do. Had they done so after sacking Moyes they would be credited with foresight and modern thinking. Having stalled and stalled - then invited Rio and Fletcher to have vague talks about joining a transfer committee - if they were to now actually do this and it would yield results the last 6-7 years would underline how incredibly poor they've been in running the club.
That being said, I do think enough pressure and all-around ridicule, alongside terrible football, may actually force their hand.
I don't think that what you say is the case because our managers have all been given what they wanted initially, it's only bad results that saw them lose the trust and support of the board and Woodward. I also disagree with the glory part because it's fundamentally wrong, in football club presidents are as praised as managers when there is a positive era their is the mentioned as much as any other name in football but it's only one side of the proverbial coin when things don't go well club presidents are also mentioned and criticized, their name is easily tarnished and I'm pretty sure that Woodward is aware of that. I think that he is just bad at his job and afraid to make big changes because he won't be able to hide behind The United way. And you can see that in the managers that we hired, he basically picked the perceived safest option, he picked two extremely experienced managers even though they were declining and he picked a fan favorite after a good streak of games.
I don't think that interference is an issue because all our managers did their own thing in their own way when with an interfering owner/CEO we would have seen all of them do the similar things or do things completely out of character. If there is a pattern in what we do badly is that the board picks the wrong managers because he picks them with the wrong criterias. Succesful clubs rarely pick managers that are at the end of their careers, at least not when a team need to be built and they don't pick managers based on 10-15 years old reputations in the hope that they could replicate their old glories.
There has been stories about Woody meeting with Rangnick but he is also supposed to have said he has no interest in being part of the Utd project and is happy where he is, personally I think the truth of the situation is probably somewhere in the middle.
I don't think appointing Rangnick is such a no-brainer even if he'd like to come. He is very single minded and expects everyone to follow his lead, which might lead to problems with any pl manager worth their salt. Also RB Salzburg was his only club outside of Germany and all his success stories were sugar daddy clubs where he vastly outspent their competition. United can outspend almost anyone in the PL, but not by several magnitudes.
Not saying it couldn't be a success but I don't think he's all that (still massive upgrade on woody/no one)
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