Because the team has needed investment since Fergie was there and it's only recently we've realised that a midfield made up from Anderson, Rafael and O'Shea don't win you titles post Ferguson.
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Fergie left us huge investments in Nani, Zaha and Rafael for our right wing when he left as well.
Not really Woodward's fault the right wing is now barren.
What I would kill to have the three of them back. Jesus wept what are we doing.
So we bought 2 midfielders for about 140m in Pogba and Fred, we spent how much on Martial, Mata and Lukkaku? Also we bought 3 of the 4 defenders we played with today. We have spent a huge amount of money, this lineup is probably the 2nd most expensive lineup in the PL this week (I assume not the most expensive).
Basically we have overspent on overrated players and our manager has not shown they were worth what we paid.
"We are looking at a greater space once our football performance return to the top"
If one can't see how wrong it is with Ed's wording ("no meaningful impact"), then they should as well give up sport. I meant a sport club and sporting performance has no meaningful impact. Any business, no one would turn a blind sight on stuff that clearly bringing loss the company let alone sport club and sporting performance.
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I agree. Rafael, Nani and Zaha are better than anything we have in those positions currently.
"Why oh why did I not listen to Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Bobby Charlton"
"...I left the iron on didn't I?"
So it's Mourinho's fault that those players cost that much? I'm sure we'd have paid £10m if it were an option. The money spent argument is a non starter. Players are only sold for what the market dictates. Blame PSG and Neymar if you want to blame anyone.
He's a charlatan about football. He should go or let someone else care about football related things.
Zaha I can understand. Rafael and Nani though? They hardly went on to do great things after leaving.
I'll give you one ginger Scottish reason
He's said the complete opposite. That playing performances do not affect the financial ability of the club. He may be lying and appeasing investors, but he's still said it publicly and it should be a cause of concern.
They're still arguably as good or slightly better than what we currently have.
Pogba and Fred had 2 games together, and SAF retired 5 seasons ago. Matic is a starter, mind, who is out injured. The point is when we started to invest post SAF, other teams also had same players turn over while already in better shape in term team building. Similar can be said about defenders. Vida, Rio and Evra all needed someone to take over. We should have recruited better even with failures. Other teams also had failure and also strengthen as much when we started to spend post SAF. Of course, bad manager appointment set us back even further, but all in all it's all about planning as you seem to agree. And planning is not just on the post SAF managers's fault. Someone have to take responsibility for this.
The people running United have no idea about football, they are financial people and it is showing more and more on the pitch. Mourinho is getting frustrated by the lack of investment made by the club in the just gone window, and his tactics are not suited to the club. Woodward will never be sacked, as he is the same guy who directed the Glazers during the takeover. But I also believe that Moaninho should get the boot, and Woodward should have no say in transfer matters anymore. We need a top DOF.
Unfortunately the whole of United is in shambles, starting from the board/Woodward etc down to our inexistent defence.
Why did we only buy Fred/Dalot/Grant during the Summer window?
All the other top teams strenghtened even more and we did nothing to get players in our defence.
Mourinho saw the problems there and went after 4 central defenders but Woodward was not capable of closing ONE transfer of those players.
Zaha was available and we could have had a perfect winger but we didn't even put in an offer for him.
Disillusioned !
Why did we only buy Fred/Dalot/Grant during the Summer window?
All the other top teams strenghtened even more and we did nothing to get players in our defence.
Mourinho saw the problems there and went after 4 central defenders but Woodward was not capable of closing ONE transfer of those players.
Zaha was available and we could have had a perfect winger but we didn't even put in an offer for him.
Disillusioned !
It will eventually though, like I said before Manchester United will just become a name and we'll be like the scouse dining out on past glories. Future generations growing up may not necessarily want to support United based on history.
He kinda made a non decision in the summer and its gonna cost us another season.
You either back Jose in year 3 of 3, or you cut your losses and bring in somebody else.
You cant hire Jose, back him first season, almost fully back him second season, then not really back him third.
Yes the football should be better, but mistakes can happen. Ive seen us lose to Boro, Wednesday, and other teams poorly but they were one offs. This is becoming the norm now.
Ahhh, Id love to know what hes thinking.
You either back Jose in year 3 of 3, or you cut your losses and bring in somebody else.
You cant hire Jose, back him first season, almost fully back him second season, then not really back him third.
Yes the football should be better, but mistakes can happen. Ive seen us lose to Boro, Wednesday, and other teams poorly but they were one offs. This is becoming the norm now.
Ahhh, Id love to know what hes thinking.
He's been wrong with plenty of things, but I'll stick with him for not buying Jose a CB late in this window.
Oh, I'm not disputing that at all. It's 100% logical. But to be the main man at a club (which he is) and come out with that line should truly alienate the supporters. But we've got so many different scapegoats that he's had a relatively easy ride, especially from the press.
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He didn't make the call despite all the spin.
It was the owners who don't want to spend on the team.
It seems this is obvious to the fans but not to the people who make decisions. I've vowed not to watch United under Mourinho anymore and the sooner other fans speak with their feet , then will we reclaim ownership of this club's heritage.
Mourinho and to an extent Woodward, are dropping the ball on Sir Alex Ferguson's heritage. I can't take this anymore
At this moment, I reckon he's probably thinking it was a mistake not firing Jose Mourinho at the end of last season before he opened his gob to the media.
There was supposed to be another position beside CB and the list as being confirmed was given months ago for Ed and the negotiating team to work with.
Not being able to buy players is one thing, coming out with that brief is like announcement of distrust on manager, and downplay sporting performance after all the big talk is doing the team more harm than help.
I just dont get it overall. Jose got us to second, and you need a big investment to catch up to a team thats been in place for several years vs ours thats been put together over a three year plan (coming into the third year).
If we really were thinking, we cant back this guy, you gotta tell him to go and say were taking a different approach.
Was Ed really expecting us to massively improve, or was he expecting City to hugely under perform whilst none of the other teams catch up. Crazy stuff.
To be honest I believe that ED was under orders to not spend anymore cash.
Sounds about right...
Absolutely spot on. We were in deep shit since SAF left while Sheikh City were competing for the title, with the exception of that one Guardiola season, since they were brought. Mourinho has been fighting an uphill battle since he came in.
I'll say it again. If Woodward didn't have any trust in Mourinho anymore and didn't have the willingness to back him despite having the money to do so (as per Woodward), then he should have just sacked Mourinho and hired someone he had trust in.
Gone are the days when you could buy 0 players and we could still win the title due to SAF's genius.
This is 'spin', I dislike our owners with a passion, but to say this is just wrong.
No point going into the sandy ground they stand on saying this, but if I was them I'd be asking what hell happens to these so called top players as soon as they walk through our door, other than the very few it's just been one bad signing after another, or at least when they play for us anyway..
I just hope somehow they have now decided to stop, and at least try and do things differently, the DoF talking is promising, as is stopping Jose spending yet more money this window.
So what has happened? Can someone brief me in?
Maybe Ed made mistakes in the transfer market, just like Jose has done with some of his chosen signings. Nobody's perfect. Now the smart thing for Jose would be to publicly back his CEO since you know, they are supposed to be a team. But no, The Outspoken one decides to throw everybody (CEO + players) under a bus in preseason, for some inexplicable reason. So they are now all publicly throwing him under a bus too and the media are absolutely beside themselves with this drama and thus we are reaping the cracks and divisions all over our football team.
Now Jose's seriously backtracking over everything he did over the summer, and let's hope for our sake he can reverse the damage in time.
Don't get why everyone is criticising him today of all days.
Do we need to spend another 500m to beat the likes of Brighton ffs? On paper, our team is far far superior to them.
Individual mistakes aside, the main reason we lost today is because we played like shite. No offensive plan, no coordination between the players. And lastly, when nothing else works, try hoofing the ball aimlessly, hoping Fellaini wins it.
Today is on the manager. You don't need Alderweireld or Perisic or Messi to beat the likes of Brighton.
Do we need to spend another 500m to beat the likes of Brighton ffs? On paper, our team is far far superior to them.
Individual mistakes aside, the main reason we lost today is because we played like shite. No offensive plan, no coordination between the players. And lastly, when nothing else works, try hoofing the ball aimlessly, hoping Fellaini wins it.
Today is on the manager. You don't need Alderweireld or Perisic or Messi to beat the likes of Brighton.
Still no excuse for bringing in the eye-gouging Doctor abusing has-been though is it ?
Surely he wouldn't? Then again, who the hell knows with our club's hierarchy..
Woodward had a face like a smacked arse at the end of the game. Some peeps are blaming him - others including me - are blaming the dire coaching.
Went into the dressing room - alone - and spent 5 mins with the players. SteveJ wants to know if he asked them if they're still playing for the manager
Most are in agreement that Woodward needs to step aside and let someone with football knowledge take over that aspect of things.
Speculation now on if Jose will last till next week, October or whenever.
Speculation on who can take over.
That's about it.
It's about the manager situation, either back him or sack him. Why this game? Because it's not about spending to beat Brighton but the integration of a club. It's not just the managers and players relationship but also the owner and the board with the club and the fan base. Brighton being at lower level yet is contrast to how we're run these days.
Hypotheciallyerynone can agree Mourinho should be gone by now. Why is he still here? See where this led to?!
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This also indicates to our players that the board don't fully back the manager. So player performances drop even further.Unfortunately the whole of United is in shambles, starting from the board/Woodward etc down to our inexistent defence.
Why did we only buy Fred/Dalot/Grant during the Summer window?
All the other top teams strenghtened even more and we did nothing to get players in our defence.
Mourinho saw the problems there and went after 4 central defenders but Woodward was not capable of closing ONE transfer of those players.
Zaha was available and we could have had a perfect winger but we didn't even put in an offer for him.
Disillusioned !
You don’t know exactly how a player is going to integrate into a team until they have settled in.
Every manager makes mistake buys, like Pep and Jurgen.
The difference is, they were given permission to sign expensive replacements until it clicked.
Jose has been told to make do with 2 new 30 million youngsters that are still finding their feet.
When Jose goes Ed needs to go too in my opinion, he can stay if he wants to negotiate business deels but the club needs a person who knows football.
If we sign a DoF I hope he won't be a yes man.
If we sign a DoF I hope he won't be a yes man.
I strongly believe that the club need to change its structure that the football side needs to be run by football people but the investment talks are ridiculous. But our problem is simply that our managers are wank not that we didn't spent a billion yet. And the board only has itself to blame since they chose them.
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