Managers Draft - R1: Gio vs The Red Viper

Based on 'players peaks under the said manager', who will win?


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:confused: What formation do you think Italy played in 1982?
They played Zona Mista. It can be described as 3-5-2, but it's different to yours, it's very specific - Gio already answered with half of my comment here.

I don't say that it won't work - on the contrary, I think that it would and I agree with Gio that it is probably the best midfield duo in the draft so far. I don't agree with you when you're saying that Tardelli thrived in the exact same setup - not when you're saying that he would be great in it.
 

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So, it'll take a small miracle for TRV not to win here.

It will be interesting to see if anyone can stop him. To me the score here is a bit ridiculous, to be honest.

What will it take to best Pep's Barca? Someone who can outdance 'em on the same dance floor? That's ludicrous, I think. They were stopped effectively enough by lesser teams than the one Gio/Theon field here.
 

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I reckon what he's getting at is that Italy played with a "pure" DM in Oriali. Tardelli then functioned more as a box-to-boxer with Antognoni as the designated AM. If you compare that three with the one you field here, Oriali would be "replaced" with Matthaus - who obviously isn't a pure DM.

To me the above is not a good argument against Tardelli in your set-up - not at all. But I reckon this is what he suggests, i.e. that Tardelli requires someone to hold/cover for him - as Oriali did in Italy's great '82 team and others did at Juve.
Ah right, thanks Chester. Aye, well I don't think it's a problem either.

And all I said is that Italy played a 3-5-2, which they did, so I don't know what he's disagreeing about there.

But yeah, it's not an exact replica of either Italy in '82 or Germany in '90, but as a general comment both Matthaus and Tardelli won the World Cup in this formation.

It's not exactly the same though and it never would be. For instance IIRC in the early games Italy didn't even play a proper, normal 3-5-2 but instead had Cabrini as a proper fullback and then Conti on the right as a winger. So it was lobsided. And then in later games they used a more typical five defenders set up.
 

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:lol: I just realised why TRV systematically avoids sharemytactics :lol:

BTW, Gio has Rui Costa on the bench :eek: I know Rui Costa never gets any credit and Rivera looks sexier but not using Rui-Batigol under Trap is criminal.
 

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So, it'll take a small miracle for TRV not to win here.

It will be interesting to see if anyone can stop him. To me the score here is a bit ridiculous, to be honest.

What will it take to best Pep's Barca? Someone who can outdance 'em on the same dance floor? That's ludicrous, I think. They were stopped effectively enough by lesser teams than the one Gio/Theon field here.
I actually think he might struggle to win it - he's got the same issue as Cutch in that there isn't a huge room for improvement. I really like TRV as a poster so hope he kicks on, but I think he might struggle at the final/semi-final stage if he comes up against a full strength Capello, Lattek or Trap.

I agree with you that this team for instance would give Guardiola's Barca a very tough game in reality, and a full strength Trap side could add Platini, Baggio, Maldini and Brehme amongst others!
 

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So, it'll take a small miracle for TRV not to win here.

It will be interesting to see if anyone can stop him. To me the score here is a bit ridiculous, to be honest.

What will it take to best Pep's Barca? Someone who can outdance 'em on the same dance floor? That's ludicrous, I think. They were stopped effectively enough by lesser teams than the one Gio/Theon field here.
I can think of one defence that would eat them midgets alive before dissecting them like they did their dreamy predecessors.
 

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I'm done with expressing my thoughts in this thread, I express them so poorly, that Theon goes defensive about the decisions that I actually support, and I see why he's doing it :(
 

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I'm done with expressing my thoughts in this thread, I express them so poorly, that Theon goes defensive about the decisions that I actually support, and I see why he's doing it :(
What are you talking about :lol:

That's another poorly expressed thought, by the way.

All I said is that Tardelli and Matthaus suit this formation. No controversy there.
 

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:lol: I just realised why TRV systematically avoids sharemytactics :lol:

BTW, Gio has Rui Costa on the bench :eek: I know Rui Costa never gets any credit and Rivera looks sexier but not using Rui-Batigol under Trap is criminal.
In fairness to Theon he was keen to use Rui Costa. I persisted with Rivera because of his overall calibre and his unparalleled passing range would be fantastic on the counter providing that critical transition from break of play to the feet of the two strikers. Both of whom I believe would cause immense problems with their back-to-goal, in much the same way as the likes of Drogba and Milito.
 

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Just fer giggles - how it might look visualized Italy '82 style:


As we can see it clearly isn't the same, though - as Reuter (who is nothing if not a wingback in G/T's setup) ain't Conti. And the balance of the midfield, as we've touched on, is clearly different too. Still, it's similar in many ways.
 

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It's effectively half time so off comes Gianni Rivera after a half in which the one-time Ballon D'Or winner has miraculously been nullified by Sergio Busquets. On comes Rui Costa, high-fiving Gabriel Batistuta as he springs onto the park.



 

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Batistuta immediately gains another 10% from the change. He's linking up telepathically with a prime Rui Costa. He's up against Gerard Pique and he's beasted some primo centre-halves in his time, the cream of the crop in 90's Serie A.

 

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Aye, Batigol's hardly had a mention here. Cracking player and without a doubt one of the best strikers of the last twenty years, banging them in for a Fiorentina side not blessed with half the quality here.

His first season at Roma was fantastic as well, linking up with Totti. That was a wonderful side.
 

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Aye, Batigol's hardly had a mention here. Cracking player and without a doubt one of the best strikers of the last twenty years, banging them in for a Fiorentina side not blessed with half the quality here.

His first season at Roma was fantastic as well, linking up with Totti. That was a wonderful side.
Rui Costa-Batistuta >>> Totti-Batistuta

And with that... feck it, changed my mind, sorry TRV.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
So, it'll take a small miracle for TRV not to win here.

It will be interesting to see if anyone can stop him. To me the score here is a bit ridiculous, to be honest.

What will it take to best Pep's Barca? Someone who can outdance 'em on the same dance floor? That's ludicrous, I think. They were stopped effectively enough by lesser teams than the one Gio/Theon field here.
I agree with all of that - I think Gio and Theon have assembled a team that's well capable of nullifying much of TRV's attacking prowess and hurting them on the counter.
 

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A nice piece on 'the romance and tragedy of Batistuta's Fiorentina'

THESE VIOLENT DELIGHTS: THE ROMANCE AND TRAGEDY OF BATISTUTA'S FIORENTINA


The rain thuds down on a murky February afternoon in Florence, blurring the tired limbs of the home side in purple, of Milan in their stripes of red and black. Beards drip; glossy Latin haircuts shed water like slate roofs into drainpipes.

Going into that fateful afternoon at the Stadio Artemi Franchi, Giovanni Trappatoni’s Fiorentina sit where they have done since the early days of the 1998-99 season – at the top of Serie A. Their lead over second-placed Lazio is three points – a sizeable gap, but no gulf – yet such has been La Viola’s dominance over the first half of the season, the title seems destined to return to Florence after a thirty year wait. A powerful Milan side – Maldini, Albertini, Bierhoff, Weah, Boban – are third.

Eighty-five minutes have gone by without either defence giving way. Milan force a corner and a final chance to break the deadlock.

Back when the two sides met in September, Fiorentina had laid down a marker with a crushing 3-1 victory on an equally wet afternoon at the San Siro. All three had come via the laces of Gabriel Batistuta’s right boot: a drive from the edge of the area flashed past Lehmann in the Milan goal; a Rui Costa through ball hammered in from a narrow angle; the third clinically smashed into the roof of the net from that deceptively tough situation, the indirect free kick from six yards out.

Now Batistuta is back defending the Milan set-piece. The Argentine finds the ball falling to his feet: he stretches to clear it.

Seconds later, he lies stricken on the sodden turf, clutching his knee. Anguished looks are cast around. Something is clearly wrong. Clearly the script is being misread. In one fateful moment – the sort that sticks in the memory in a slow, tragic motion, Florentine dreams mutate into fears. Batistuta, the fallen angel, is stretchered from the pitch. So begins the slide. Fiorentina’s lead is slowly, cruelly eaten away at. There is to be no scudetto.

Batistuta arrived back in Italy that year on the back of a five-goal World Cup with Argentina, including a hattrick against Jamaica. Our first glimpse comes in mid-September, in a sun-drenched Florence: an opening-day strike against Empoli gets him up and running.

Batistuta is La Viola’s footballing spearhead and spiritual leader. To the fans, he is a demigod, not only for his goals, but also his decision to stick with Fiorentina after being relegated in 1993 – and then immediately take them to the Serie B title with a sixteen-goal haul. Even greater returns have followed since the return to Serie A. His hair is long, yet without any trace of effeminacy; it straggles over an upturned collar and a rugged chin of stubble. He is a leopard with the ball at his feet, moments of gracefulness culminating in carnivorous finishes, leaving his chosen prey – occasionally the centre-half, almost always the goalkeeper – helpless. His dead ball is appropriately lethal. The brutality of each goal is celebrated with the swivel of an imaginary sub-machine gun, or a jump and the pumping of a fist. This is joyous brutality.

Serie A soon gets used to the sight: by the time a twenty-five yard free kick is driven home with characteristic violence in a 3-0 drubbing of Vicenza on the last day of January, Batistuta has eighteen goals from nineteen games. Even Fiorentina’s disqualification from the UEFA Cup, after a fan takes the gun-totting celebrations too far and throws a bomb at a linesman during a tie with Grasshoppers Zurich, only seems to drive Batistuta on. He describes the decision to throw out Fiorentina as ‘like being thrown out for a crime you haven’t done.’

Not that Fiorentina are a one man team. Admittedly, the only real other outfield star is Rui Costa, who provides the through-balls unleashing Batistuta’s thunder, in front of a midfield spine built upon the labours of Sandro Cois, Guillermo Amor and Christian Amoruso. Mauricio Toricelli patrols the right-flank, the blond German Jorg Henrich the left. Between the posts, Francesco Toldo is as solid presence as any goalkeeper at the time; he will later be a genuine competitor to Gianluigi Buffon in the national team. Luis Oliveira and Edmundo chip in with goals, the latter at this point still famous for his on-pitch abilities rather than his future ability to intoxicate hired circus chimpanzees at his son’s birthday party. And there is La Viola itself: that deep purple, the colour of emperors. No-one else in Europe plays in purple.

Then there comes February and Milan. Like Samson shorn of his locks, without the injured Batistuta – out for a month – Fiorentina fall apart. His strike partner has fled the scene: Edmundo is partying at the Rio carnival; he misses three games in the process. The sidelined Batistuta is furious, his frustration is clear. Speaking to the press, he unleashes an extraordinary, prescient outburst at Edmundo, Trappatoni and the club’s owner, Vittorio Cecchi Gori. Even on crutches, Batistuta retains an air of the untouchable: “Batistuta has exercised an act of justice,” gushes La Gazzetta dello Sport in biblical tones, “acting as a leader, as a captain, an apostle of La Viola. He threw his crutches against treachery and his accusations spared no-one.”

Without their deity leading the line and with the ‘Animal’ back in Brazil, the goals dry up. Trappatoni shuffles his strikers with an increasing air of desperation: the spunky Anselmo Robbiati, the ineffective Carmine Esposito, the fading Oliveira. None can even dream of replacing Batigol. Fiorentina fall to defeat to Udinese and are held to a scoreless draw at home by Roma. A late Torricelli equaliser is required to rescue a point at lowly Salernitana.

By the time Batistuta returns to the starting eleven after a five-week absence, Fiorentina have been overhauled by Lazio and are just a point clear of third-placed Milan. All is not lost, however: just four points separate La Viola from the top – and the hit man is back.

But the momentum that fuelled the charge before February has evaporated. Now it is Fiorentina’s turn to suffer at the hands of brilliant Latin American forwards. In Venice, on the eve of the Ides of March, the on-loan Uruguayan playmaker Alvaro Recoba bends two free kicks past Toldo, and then – in stoppage-time – dances around him for a third: Venezia four, Fiorentina one. A fortnight later, Ronaldo scores twice from the penalty spot: Inter two, Fiorentina nil. As Lazio and Milan continue to win, the slide continues: a draw with Bari, a thrashing at Bologna, defeats to Juve and second-bottom Sampdoria.

There is something of the Greek tragedy about Fiorentina, able to see the oncoming catastrophe, but unable to avert fate and its horrors as their scudetto challenge drifted away. Like the nightmares of a child who tries to run from a pack of dogs, but finds his feet somehow glued to the floor, Fiorentina are chased down by their bigger-name rivals. The shock and awe of those autumn afternoons, spattered with the humiliation of machine-gunned defenders and the image of a rampant Batistuta tearing away from goal in celebration – twice, three times per game – is a distant memory. Milan take the title, Lazio are second. Fiorentina aren’t even in the frame. A violent romance becomes the tragedy of La Viola.

There is, too, something of a fin-de-siècle in Fiorentina’s sudden rise and fall. Serie A is starting to lose its lustre at the turn of the century, as talent seeped away into the Spanish and English leagues. But in Fiorentina – hardly built on mountains of lire – there is a final, heroic, futile flourish. British viewers had been fed on a rich diet of Channel Four’s Football Italia throughout the 90s, stretching back to Gascoigne’s years at Lazio. Interest is slightly muted by ’98; La Viola are the sweet after-dinner spirit: bang! bang! bang! to the shots from Batistuta’s right boot.

Fiorentina required a final-round draw against Cagliari to salvage third place and a slot in the Champions League – where, in some kind of semi-cathartic footnote, Batistuta scored in victories against Arsenal and Manchester United. But the longer story is sadder, as years of financial mismanagement under the regime of Cecchi Gori told and the side fell apart. In 2002, a weak Fiorentina bearing little resemblance to the side of ’98-’99 were relegated from Serie A, went into administration, and entered a free-fall which saw them denied entry to Serie B and forced to play in the regional Serie C2. Batistuta, meanwhile, finally won the league title – with Roma, where he had moved for the rather ancien régime sum of 70 billion lire in 2000. But the title he craved so much, one gained at his beloved La Viola, once within his grasp, had slid away, leaving only flickering ciné-reels of memory, blurred by the raindrops of that fateful February afternoon.
http://inbedwithmaradona.com/journa...-romance-and-tragedy-of-batistutas-fiorentina
 

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I agree with all of that - I think Gio and Theon have assembled a team that's well capable of nullifying much of TRV's attacking prowess and hurting them on the counter.
Just curious, who are the players that will hurt me on counters. Neither Batigol, nor Klinsi were exactly your electric players who could trouble that high line. Even the likes of Cristiano and Di Maria, who possessed great burst of pace struggled to break properly until the last season of Pep when Puyol was struggling to feature regularly along with Abidal. Also, like I mentioned, the sole creator in that team is Rui Costa. His wing-backs are already occupied. So, the entire responsibility of creating falls solely on the shoulders of Rui Costa, who would be up against the high and relentless pressing of Busquets and Xavi etc. The sort of pressing which players like Alonso, Ozil etc struggled to cope up with that sort of pressing. I am not saying Busquets would have Rui Costa in his pocket. Absolutely not, but I feel with that sort of intense pressing, we can negate the threat of counters to a good extent because Rui Costa won't get as much time and space on the ball to make use of that space behind the defence. And with neither Batigol, nor Klinsi being exactly rapid, it would mean that by the time one of them is at the end of the through-ball, in most of the situations, there would be enough defenders in Puyol, Pique and Abidal who would be back there to defend.
 

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Just curious, who are the players that will hurt me on counters. Neither Batigol, nor Klinsi were exactly your electric players who could trouble that high line. Even the likes of Cristiano and Di Maria, who possessed great burst of pace struggled to break properly until the last season of Pep when Puyol was struggling to feature regularly along with Abidal. Also, like I mentioned, the sole creator in that team is Rui Costa. His wing-backs are already occupied. So, the entire responsibility of creating falls solely on the shoulders of Rui Costa, who would be up against the high and relentless pressing of Busquets and Xavi etc. The sort of pressing which players like Alonso, Ozil etc struggled to cope up with that sort of pressing. I am not saying Busquets would have Rui Costa in his pocket. Absolutely not, but I feel with that sort of intense pressing, we can negate the threat of counters to a good extent because Rui Costa won't get as much time and space on the ball to make use of that space behind the defence. And with neither Batigol, nor Klinsi being exactly rapid, it would mean that by the time one of them is at the end of the through-ball, in most of the situations, there would be enough defenders in Puyol, Pique and Abidal who would be back there to defend.
Klinsmann was pretty rapid, and in Costa, Matthaus and Passerella Gio/Theon have the players to spring a high line with a good pass. Both his wing backs were very quick as well, and although they'll have to play somewhat conservatively I'd expect them to break forward a bit at least.
 

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anto changing his vote :lol: Poor Red Viper.. only 6 votes left now. Not fair that he has had to alone fend off so many questions
 

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Edmundo chip in with goals, the latter at this point still famous for his on-pitch abilities rather than his future ability to intoxicate hired circus chimpanzees at his son’s birthday party
His strike partner has fled the scene: Edmundo is partying at the Rio carnival; he misses three games in the process. The sidelined Batistuta is furious, his frustration is clear. Speaking to the press, he unleashes an extraordinary, prescient outburst at Edmundo,
Edmundo :lol::lol::lol:
 

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I'd ditch Klinsman, and go with

Batistuta

Rivera --------Rui Costa
 

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Klinsmann was pretty rapid, and in Costa, Matthaus and Passerella Gio/Theon have the players to spring a high line with a good pass. Both his wing backs were very quick as well, and although they'll have to play somewhat conservatively I'd expect them to break forward a bit at least.
Klinsmann was very quick, deceptively so with his long hair and shaggy gait. He did a lot of sprint training early in his career at Stuttgart which brought him down to 11.0s for the 100m, which is quick for a footballer. He will cause problems, especially with a high line.
 

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Went for gio. Think that barca side is overrated a bit myself, nearly lost to chelsea in 08 and were nullified later as well if a team knew how to shut up shop. Think they were lucky to play in an era where there was no truly great sides which has lifted their status to arguably the best team ever along with saachi's milan.
 

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Here are some of the defenders who Batistuta has scored against, mainly playing for Fiorentina against superior, higher-line playing teams:

Fabio Cannavaro
Lillian Thuram
Paolo Maldini
Alessandro Costacurta
Alessandro Nesta
Jaap Stam
Tony Adams
Martin Keown
Sol Campbell
Aldair
Paolo Montero
Laurent Blanc
Ivan Cordoba
Christian Panucci
Miguel Nadal
Guiseppe Bergomi
Mauro Tassotti
Jurgen Kohler
Massimo Carrera

Here he is banging in a hat-trick against Milan in the San Siro:


anto changing his vote :lol: Poor Red Viper.. only 6 votes left now. Not fair that he has had to alone fend off so many questions
Harms has done a pretty good job of fending for him here ;)
 

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If we consider Fortitude's post from 2011 here. While you may disagree with some of the criticism, it's inescapable that Barcelona have struggled against a certain type of team which is very much in the mould that has been drafted here.
Couldn't you find a better post to prove your point, I really feel a bit dumber just because I spent 3 minutes reading it. I agree with the point that this Barca side wasn't invincible, but that was just as true for that Milan side or for any top side (maybe Cruyff's Ajax the exception?). Sacchi's Milan struggled just as much against those mean deep Italian defenses, if not they would have won more than just 1 league title in 4 years and if Aldo was still around, I'm sure he'd be happy to post a video of Baresi looking clueless against counterattacks. That Milan side had all their iconic performances against attacking teams and was boring against strong, organised defenses. I still remember them scraping through against Rehagel's ultra defensive Bremen side and they weren't much more convincing in their semifinal against Heynckes' Bayern.

Which kinda leads to the point, no team is invincible and I'm pretty sure that this Barca side (and I rate them as a top3 of all time team) is slightly overrated on the Caf when it comes to this invincible aura because of what they did to a tactically naive United team in both finals.

The reason I voted for you is, that I think your midfielders are as perfect as you can hope for to pull the following off. I always felt that the best way to beat Pep's Barca is to hurt their possession and the key to it is to destroy what I would call Xavi's safety net. All of Xavi's and Iniesta's pretty turns and short passes only work, when there's always a safe pass available to Busquets, which allows them to move sideways without the ball into open space all the time. Take that away, and they become human. I'd say that Robben keeps Cabrini fairly busy, but I can see Reuter tucking in a lot to help out against Iniesta with Henry playing more central and Messi dropping deep. That still gives you a spare man in defense against Messi and both Tardelli and Matthäus can hunt down Xavi and more importantly Busquets as well. And even more important, one of them could often end up in Xavi's back, when you win the ball, which takes out Barca's pressing. I know you wrote in the write-up that Reuter will sit on Henry, but even if that's the general tactical plan at the start, the game dynamic surely would see the defenders changing the marking, when Henry cuts inside and becomes temporarily the striker similar to Villa's role during Barca's peak in 10/11. And with Abidal not being a threat down that wing, Reuter is kinda free to support the midfield and he's actually comfortable in that role, often played as a right sided CM in his career.

Way too often Inter's defending in the return leg against Barca is seen as the blueprint to beat them, but Inter actually lost that game and if not for a questionable offside call should have lost the tie. The game they won saw Sneijder actually working hard between Xavi and Busquets and being constantly in a position where he could escape the pressing and hurt Barca on the counter.
 

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What I like about Gio's team is that against a high pressing Barcelona, they target weak players in possession to cause mistakes and win the ball back high. That usually means defenders or most often central midfielders. Here both Matthaus and Tardelli had great dribbling, even if Matthaus showcased it much more often - Tardelli had a dribbling raid in his arsenal.

So I think that actually pressing them will be extremely hard and I don't think we will see a Barcelona press at its peak here considering that and the fact that Passarella's free role will often provide a free passing lane.

Then talking for TRV is the fact that for the high press/high possession system he has, the three best forwards(I would have Ribery instead of Henry, but I get Henry is rated higher right now with Ribery's form/decline), the three best central midfielders, and the two best full backs. Maybe some of them aren't all timers in general, but for their actual roles here they are the GOAT's.

So I don't think this match would have a sure outcome in either way. Barcelona would beat the opponent 90% of the time regardless of them parking the bus or not. In fact most teams tried to park the bus against them in one way or another and their performances against those teams is the reason they're rated so highly.

With the added individual brilliance here I can't really say who has the biggest chance to win. Looks like a draw in my eyes, which was a far more common result for Barcelona when they couldn't penetrate the opponents than a loss. So my guess would be TRV to dominate the possession in this game with 70%, constantly passing the ball about Matthaus/Tardelli but without really being capable of breaking through much.

Not that I can't see them score, just see it as more likely that neither team does.
 

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What I like about Gio's team is that against a high pressing Barcelona, they target weak players in possession to cause mistakes and win the ball back high. That usually means defenders or most often central midfielders. Here both Matthaus and Tardelli had great dribbling, even if Matthaus showcased it much more often - Tardelli had a dribbling raid in his arsenal.
The problem here is that they got away with their constant tactical fouls whenever someone got past them. They had a crazy high number of fouls if you took the time the opponent had the ball into account. It didn't seemed like that because they dominated possession and constantly fouled far in the opposing half, so they rarely got punished with yellow cards for their repeated fouling. It was annoying as hell (and probably is for Bayern's opponents at the moment as well, I just don't care about it right now :) ).
 

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Couldn't you find a better post to prove your point, I really feel a bit dumber just because I spent 3 minutes reading it.
Well I feel smarter having read your post, Balu. Jeez you are knowledgeable about football. I kind of feel slightly ashamed that as a native English speaker I can't articulate my thoughts even half as well as you.
 

Balu

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Well I feel smarter having read your post, Balu. Jeez you are knowledgeable about football. I kind of feel slightly ashamed that as a native English speaker I can't articulate my thoughts even half as well as you.
I really hate my English often enough though and wouldn't mind if people told me when I made silly mistakes :lol:. @antohan once wrote a lovely PM regarding the plural of sheep, when I constantly wrote sheeps.

For what it's worth, a few minutes after I wrote the post above, I started to realise that I completely took Lahm out of the equation and I'm trying to come up with a reason why he could turn the game into your favour. He actually could drift inside and become more or less a 2nd Busquets and completely change the midfield battle, after all there's only Cabrini as a threat down that wing and Cabrini should be fairly deep in his own half when your team is in possession. I think that would be way more important for your team than Lahm overlapping in attack against a 5man backline and it would be pretty close to his role at Bayern at the moment, where the Alonso - Lahm CM has a similar dynamic. But then you'd get closer to Pep's tactics at Bayern at the moment than what Barca played during their peak in 10/11.

It's a beautiful tactical battle here and it probably could go either way, depending on what manager made the better adjustments during the game. If I hadn't voted already, I'd probably chicken out again and not vote at all.
 

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I really hate my English often enough though and wouldn't mind if people told me when I made silly mistakes :lol:. @antohan once wrote a lovely PM regarding the plural of sheep, when I constantly wrote sheeps.

For what it's worth, a few minutes after I wrote the post above, I started to realise that I completely took Lahm out of the equation and I'm trying to come up with a reason why he could turn the game into your favour. He actually could drift inside and become more or less a 2nd Busquets and completely change the midfield battle, after all there's only Cabrini as a threat down that wing and Cabrini should be fairly deep in his own half when your team is in possession. I think that would be way more important for your team than Lahm overlapping in attack against a 5man backline and it would be pretty close to his role at Bayern at the moment, where the Alonso - Lahm CM has a similar dynamic. But then you'd get closer to Pep's tactics at Bayern at the moment than what Barca played during their peak in 10/11.

It's a beautiful tactical battle here and it probably could go either way, depending on what manager made the better adjustments during the game. If I hadn't voted already, I'd probably chicken out again and not vote at all.
Thats actually a very good point and one I havent considered at all as was treating lahm as a normal fullback instead of the fullback/midfielder hybrid that he is.
 

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Just curious, who are the players that will hurt me on counters. Neither Batigol, nor Klinsi were exactly your electric players who could trouble that high line.
Are you joking? He is perfect for that.

Seriously, what's the score with Klinsmann? In the last draft I also faced him with a high line and not a single soul emphasised Klinsmann. It was all about Batistuta and Klinsmann being asked to drop deep to help press my midfield. "Lovely", I wrote and nobody questioned or revisited that.

I'd rather play a high line against Romario than Klinsmann!