This is a fair concern but it all goes back to the DoF again since he interviewed Ten Hag and agreed to this way of working in the first place, essentially passing on any real responsibility he had.But let's be honest if we bring a new competent Dof, a new head of recruitment etc, will ETH willingly lose the power he has now?
They’re both to blame.Blaming Ten Hag for squandering for 400m (which happens on here constantly) is giving Murtough a free pass.
Not really no. DOFs are judged on the mid-long term success. For example Casemiro was brilliant last season but does 1 season justify spending so much money on a 30 year old DM?If Murtoughs at fault for the failure of this season, he must also be responsible for last season's success?
This. Because if it reaches the point that ETH needs to go, then we would be left with ETH's signings that may not be good for new managers, while we still have issue with offloading older deadwood, and lack of fund to strengthen the team. Right off the bad, this situation again would harmstring the new manager. Always can't trust this type of DOF to pick new manager if it's required.Not really no. DOFs are judged on the mid-long term success. For example Casemiro was brilliant last season but does 1 season justify spending so much money on a 30 year old DM?
Signings tend to be short sighted and desperate. The likes of Eriksen, Casemiro, Varane etc, are ticking time bombs. Short term sticking plasters everywhere. Many a result of poor windows and bad opening days that force the club to act. Every transfer is short sighted and it inevitably blows up at some point.If Murtoughs at fault for the failure of this season, he must also be responsible for last season's success?
The issue is for a manger to shoulder the blame, it may mean him getting the sack. And with manager change, guess what, DOF is asked to find new manager! Is our DOF actively now searching for possible manager replacement even if it's end of season change? Is he planning for next year recruitment, players sale regardless of manager. or he again sits on his ass, hopes and prays for miracle to delegate his duty to (the next)manager again,Signings tend to be short sighted and desperate. The likes of Eriksen, Casemiro, Varane etc, are ticking time bombs. Short term sticking plasters everywhere. Many a result of poor windows and bad opening days that force the club to act. Every transfer is short sighted and it inevitably blows up at some point.
last season was a poor window, salvaged by last second desperation signings, that will now hinder us in the long term.
long term direction should be the main priority of the board. Eth must take a massive part of the blame for his shortsightedness too.
I think the issue is far more complex then a DOF and CEO that are simply incompetent or better still a competent owner would not allow incompetent people to fill those important roles. There are also rumours of the Glazers taking a month to give their blessing for a given signing. 1 month is an eternity in football. Having said that a competent owner would expect the DOF and the CEO to know better rather then simply nod at the manager at every single turnThis. Because if it reaches the point that ETH needs to go, then we would be left with ETH's signings that may not be good for new managers, while we still have issue with offloading older deadwood, and lack of fund to strengthen the team. Right off the bad, this situation again would harmstring the new manager. Always can't trust this type of DOF to pick new manager if it's required.
There weren't many strikers available last summer, but the issue is the lack of any forward planning over many previous summers.Tbf except for Kane all the other strikers have been rubbish.
Even since ten Hag arrived, the money spent on Antony and Mount is inexcusable.Murtough has been a disaster and would be sacked at any other club but not this club. He is a Glazer man so he is safe as houses as long as he keeps
his mouth shut and gets on with it.
not sure what we could expect really, neither of them have any experience in that role.I'm honestly impressed Murtough has proven he can be just as incompetent as Woodward. Our transfer business has been shambolic for a decade, and it's left us with a group of random players rather than a coherent squad.
He's probably even worse all things consideredI'm honestly impressed Murtough has proven he can be just as incompetent as Woodward. Our transfer business has been shambolic for a decade, and it's left us with a group of random players rather than a coherent squad.
The LVG transfers weren’t that expensive compared to what followed. The stupid thing about them was Woodward chose to bring in recently sacked Mourinho who wanted essentially none of the players who had come in under LVG. At least with Ole the style of football didn’t really change that much, then they just let Ragnick pretend to be coach for a bit and then ETH last season kind of kept us playing the original MouBall from his second season. This season ETH tried to move us to the more modern inverted triangle midfield with a single DM, had an injury crisis and the current situation is what we get. We just don’t have the players and the balance is all wrong. Bedlam.Post Van Gaal a big deal was made out of the damage he did to the squad and balance with his signings. Never again will the club just sign a load of players for one manager without considering whether they can all fit in long term - that was the message. If ETH went tomorrow would we be in the same situation? Answer is yes I think so that tells you how effective Murtough and Co are.
No wonder it’s all so disjointed, there’s literally one guy who seems to be in charge of everything. If Ineos bring in at least a semblance of challenge to managers then I would be happier. ETH has had considerable budget and wasted it on a few players now so if he doesn’t like it he can jog on as far as I’m concerned. I want him to stay but he will need to get used to the idea of being challenged within the club.
Murtough was here all along with Woodward. The only he made light of is he is an absolute yes man. Previously some people argued that he was restrained by Woodward influence. Now it is clear he is the type that hide from responsibility to survive on his job.I'm honestly impressed Murtough has proven he can be just as incompetent as Woodward. Our transfer business has been shambolic for a decade, and it's left us with a group of random players rather than a coherent squad.
ETH is definitively the worst recruiter we had.Correct, ETH's responsibility should be coaching and tactics.
Unfortunately, he's not very good at that either.
It's been a bit similar to Solskjaer. After Ole's first full year, people were full of praise for his recruitment - Bruno was brilliant, AWB and Maguire did very well and helped the defence settle, James was fine for a low fee. ETH was the same after his first year. OK, the jury was out on Antony, but Martinez and Casemiro were excellent, Eriksen did very well, Malacia was fine for a low fee.ETH is definitively the worst recruiter we had.
You don’t hire managers for their recruitment skills.ETH is definitively the worst recruiter we had.
I started a thread on this yesterday but the mods decide to merge it with this thread, which is annoying considering every other post is moaning about Ten Hag's transfer strategy.You don’t hire managers for their recruitment skills.
It will be strange if ten Hag is sacked for transfers but Murtough continues.I started a thread on this yesterday but the mods decide to merge it with this thread, which is annoying considering every other post is moaning about Ten Hag's transfer strategy.
The guy isn't meant to fecking be in charge of transfer strategy, and if he is then the DoF isn't doing his job and should fecking step down.
I mean it seems ETH has come to the conclusion his own signings aren't good enough for him, let and out any future manager coming in. Yesterday his biggest signing was on the bench for 87 mins, and another midfielder deemed top priority this summer also spent the first half on the bench.This. Because if it reaches the point that ETH needs to go, then we would be left with ETH's signings that may not be good for new managers, while we still have issue with offloading older deadwood, and lack of fund to strengthen the team. Right off the bad, this situation again would harmstring the new manager. Always can't trust this type of DOF to pick new manager if it's required.
He isn't as it's expected that Ratcliffe and INEOS will get control of the football side who were said to be far from impressed with the presentation Murtough gave when they visited OT. They will hire a new director and going by recent reports it's probably going to be Paul Mitchell.Murtough has been a disaster and would be sacked at any other club but not this club. He is a Glazer man so he is safe as houses as long as he keeps his mouth shut and gets on with it.
If the INEOS deal does go through I’d be amazed if Arnold, Murtough and even likes of Brown and Wells aren’t given the boot very quickly.He isn't as it's expected that Ratcliffe and INEOS will get control of the football side who were said to be far from impressed with the presentation Murtough gave when they visited OT. They will hire a new director and going by recent reports it's probably going to be Paul Mitchell.
Completely agree Rangnick shouldn't have been a manager here,however Erik should have at least given him the time of day before deciding I don't need a consultancy. May I bring up players Ralf suggested as a pointer such as Alvarez,Diaz and Fernandez. Won't include Haaland as that sailed when we didn't get him from MoldeNo other top club signs Casemiro for the price we paid at that age. No other top club goes anywhere near Ragnick as an interim manager which is the worst appointment I’ve ever seen at this level. No other top club pays 85m for Antony. No other top club signs Weghorst or goes after Arnautovic. No other top club actively keeps players like Maguire and Mctominay despite the manager wanting them out and them not suiting the play style we’re trying to implement. No other top club has the issue we had with Ronaldo and now Sancho which is frankly bizarre. No other top club gives their manager complete control over transfers. Maybe…just maybe…he isn’t cut out for a top club?
Yup. And anybody criticizing the transfer window in the beginning of the season (before reality set in) was crucified by other posters and called all the usual names.It's been a bit similar to Solskjaer. After Ole's first full year, people were full of praise for his recruitment - Bruno was brilliant, AWB and Maguire did very well and helped the defence settle, James was fine for a low fee. ETH was the same after his first year. OK, the jury was out on Antony, but Martinez and Casemiro were excellent, Eriksen did very well, Malacia was fine for a low fee.
And then it ends.
