Call me cynical but it doesn't seem a coincidence that this comes out the day after the Liverpool shitshow.
Manchester United's Chief Scout and Head of Global Scouting have left the club
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pretty sure we signed Pellistri just last year
People give Mitten shit but he's as clued up as anyone when it comes to inside knowledge
To be honest, most fans don't give a feck. If it was the ETH announcement, I'd be more inclined to agree.
Yeah another poster said that but Forlan gave us a call and offered him to us because he was too good for his team. Don't think our scouts did much for that one
A job for Ralf?
Good. Our scouts are either fecking shite or don't get listened to.
A 9 year old child could have identified the targets we have gone for recently.
A 9 year old child could have identified the targets we have gone for recently.
By the sounds of the article it’s a mutual decision for them to step down. I think we can all agree that our recruitment has been shambolic for a while. How much that has to do with Lawlor or Bout is up for debate, as we don’t really know how often the scouts were listened to. I assume the club is looking at this as an opportunity to improve on an area we’ve been dire in for a while. Seems like a summer of change, whether that’s for better or worse remains to be seen.
I think people confuse Mitten and Delaney quite often, Mitten is definitely worth listening to.
We can only hope
Haha me too. What does he do exactly? What is his credentials?
Let's not get too excited, we don't know who is coming in.
I wonder if Rangnick has influenced this
I wonder if Rangnick has influenced this
Outside of the UK
Well someone needed to be gotten rid of for scouting 800 right backs and then deciding on AWB, or for not presenting a viable alternative to Maguire at a world record fee
Yep. As with the Mourinho example I mentioned above, the willingness of the club to sign players outside its own scouting process (whatever that was) was part of the problem.
People often say the manager needs to have control, which is true in that no signings should be made that aren't green lit by the manager. But the manager shouldn't have a separate recruitment stream of their own. No signings should be made unless the scouting team recommends them too and if that means vetoing the manager then that's fine. Better to miss out on good players than waste time and money on bad ones.
Jumped or pushed?
Rangnick spent the last week trashing our recruitment, saying we’ve got it completely wrong. He’s also spoken about numerous players he has recommended and our scouts had absolutely no idea about.
Murtough has a good relationship with and trusts Rangnick’s opinion. It’s not a stretch to infer that Rangnick has been listened to here as it aligns with what he’s been saying publicly.
Doesn't matter. Their positions were untenable and they were on the chopping block regardless.
I don’t know how people have made their mind up on Murtough already, he’s only just getting started really.
I'm gonna keep saying this until I'm blue in the face.
Fletcher has all the credentials necessary to do the job he's been hired to do, having played for the club for many years.
His role is to bridge the gap between the youth team and the first team, identify players who have the right mindset to play for the club in first team capacity. It is also his job to also identify if players we are looking to purchase as a transfer from another team for the first team if they too have the right mindset for the first team. That's his role.
Literally no one else from outside the club can do this role other than ex-players.
They must be the worst scouts in history. I wouldn't worry about it.Murtough relies heavily on Ralf's views. Athletic have reported he holds Ralf in high esteem and wants to lean on his expertise when he joined.
Hoping this opens the door to Mr Mitchell or someone of that ilk.
Mutual decision! "So we spent £160m on Maguire and Pogba on your recommendations. I think we all agree it's best if you leave now."That's just the way it works, the management go first when things go to shit and the new management clear out the guys that got the old management sacked. I think we all need to hear these stories though, at the moment there's no desire to come back next season unless there's massive change.
Definitely agree with that, Mitten's UWS podcast is also a great listen.
There was a solid rumour last week Fletch is off at the end of the season, so we'll see.
People have their agendas. He only gained power once Richard Arnold took over from Woodward. And this is another positive sign that Arnold is willing to listen to the football people at the club and actually make changes.
To be fair, Guardiola signed 798 of them
Obviously the timing is to deflect from last night but absolutely the correct decision to remove these people from the club. Surely they were involved in greenlighting both the Maguire and Wan-Bissaka signings, that enough warrants losing their jobs.
You could throw any name out there to be fair and someone should be fired for 90% of our signings in the last 7 years
I think he sees his long term future in coaching.
I hope this is the beginning. I want it to be like the fecking Red Wedding. Cull everyone.
Of course but Murtough is also highly regarded within the game himself. He may have listened to Ralf but ultimately the decision rests with Murtough.
I'm hoping Mitchell gets the role he's more suited to, such as the deputy DOF alongside Murtough. Notice it's a deputy role and not an understudy such as an assistant.
Where was this? Surely he wouldn't be so involved with the manager interviews and such if he was off
Good. I’ve had enough of seeing him with his tongue in the managers ear.
I still don't understand why "Chief Scout" and "Head of Global Scouting" were 2 different positions.
If you ever wanted a diagram to depict too many cooks spoiling the broth, it would be a picture of the United organisational structure.
If you ever wanted a diagram to depict too many cooks spoiling the broth, it would be a picture of the United organisational structure.
Yeah well he originally joined us to do his badges and then someone offered him a contract?
I guess they didn't scout Bruno.
Ex head scout is said to be devastated, as his job to watch ONLY premier league games has ended. He will now sit at home and watch premier league games.
Despite the shitshow we've had to endure this season, it feels like the stars are aligning for something good next season and beyond. Just hope they get things right.
I think it's his decision, not the clubs. I think he see's himself as a coach moving forward. It was on Twitter so take it with a truck load of salt