Marcus Rashford destroying the DailyMail

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Thank you.

Yeah you just get on with it. Tbh the "battles" when having a disability in the family make you almost immune to knock backs. Sure there is disappointment but it happens in so many aspects that you have to smile through it, if not for yourself then for your kids sake (as it is in my case).

The one thing you learn is that having a "investors in..." Type of accreditation means nothing when dealing with agencies and people.

With regard to charity though a lot of footballers do a lot of good things but are not in the media eye.

My lad used to get treated at birmingham children's. One Christmas Coventry City players came in to give all the kids presents. They stuck around talked to the kids and parents and were really great young lads. All this whilst Coventry FC were going through a really tough time.

Also heard really good things about likes of Craig Bellamy. Who isn't the most liked player. But has a heart of gold apparently doing charitable stuff
One does indeed need to bounce back in this thing called life!

Charity work ought not to be about the light shed on the funder, but rather on those in need. Still, some of the celebs might need some of the light in order to not portray themselves as utter b***ends.
 

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we strongly disagree. There are very few properties that are empty because the landlord can afford to see the capital value increase, and those are generally in prime London that only the extreme minority would even be able to afford to rent.

most empty properties are losing value, as they fall into disrepair. Some councils triple the cost of council tax if empty for more than 2 years. If they were rentable, why wouldn’t you rent it out and earn a monthly rent? 50% of the private rental sector consists of landlords that have 1 or 2 investment properties, they aren’t sitting on empty properties.
So you don't think there's a shortage of affordable housing?
 

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we strongly disagree. There are very few properties that are empty because the landlord can afford to see the capital value increase, and those are generally in prime London that only the extreme minority would even be able to afford to rent.

most empty properties are losing value, as they fall into disrepair. Some councils triple the cost of council tax if empty for more than 2 years. If they were rentable, why wouldn’t you rent it out and earn a monthly rent? 50% of the private rental sector consists of landlords that have 1 or 2 investment properties, they aren’t sitting on empty properties.
Agreed this only really occurs in London in the big lavish houses where the rental yield is relatively small and the upside capital appreciaton can be vast. Mostly owned in offshore companies by wealthy foreigners who look to diversify their portfolios.

As you say why would you sit on an empty property additonally the locations he’s brought them, rent defaults aren’t likely and Rashfords PR team won’t let them be empty.

There is a housing problem and it’s based on the ancient planning system however this has got slightly better with the easing of regulations due to COVID.

I agree there needs to be oversight to ensure quality new build housing but it can be much much more efficient.

Why can’t the government step in, allocate green belt land for social housing and own the estates, SIMPLE. I guess they won’t be lining the pockets of the people who keep them in power if they did that I guess.

Anyway the daily mail can fakoff.
 

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Many of them are not poor or uneducated. They are just cnuts.

Note the continuation of the narrative that advocating for any aspect of a welfare state makes a person a Marxist.
You're actually spot on, that's exactly what they are.

The worrying thing for me is that I don't know any of these people, or at least I think I don't, so they're not in my circle but someone must know people who think like this right? Where the feck are these people on a day to day basis talking this bollocks? And why are there so many on social media and so little doing it in public?
 

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Well you said it doesn't matter who buys up homes regardless of their wealth, but only those with wealth can do it which means land and housing are disproportionately owned by a minority of people. There IS a shortage of affordable housing. Loads of potential homes sit vacant because landlords have gobbled them up, can afford to sit on them without renting, and sit back as its value continues to go up. Housing is a currency in itself. It really is a crisis situation.
:confused:No sane landlord would do that, chucking away £££ in rent when they have mortgages to pay.
 

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It's a fair article if hes renting them out at the going rate it's a bit thatcherite
I think this might be the most juvenile post in redcafe history. Which is saying something because half of the posts in here are about defecating into handbags.

Smacks of 14yo who just learned about socialism.
 

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Yeah it's a standard mid-range family home. The DM obviously insinuating that Rash is being extravagant.
The DM's agenda with him is as transparent as it is disgraceful.
They're just Tory funding racist twats and they're as transparent as water.

People in parliament warned Rashford about this. They said the more he pushes the issue, the more they will come after his character. It's absolutely disgraceful.
 

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He should be investing in a high end resort in some places like The Maldives or so. After all football is a short career and I would rather he or anyone who has played ended up doing something different after he retires. All cannot be landlords running a pub or a pundit or a coach. It is good on Rashford to think of his future and invest in something for his retirement.
 

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Go on Rashford! Our kid don't take no bollocks, whether it be MP's or Journo's. As others have mentioned, what they are doing is sickening and has been for a while now, we should ban them from OT and make a stand with our boy.
 

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:confused:No sane landlord would do that, chucking away £££ in rent when they have mortgages to pay.
Bang on the money. I've heard of family friends getting evicted during lockdown after loosing their income and not being able to afford rent. Some of them are heartless and only care for money.
 

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That's the joke.
No matter what your opinion is on what he’s doing, it’s a bit f***ing rich for the Daily Mail to criticise it.
 

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It is not only the Daily Shit but the comments on there are outrageous. I never thought there are so many bigots in the UK.
 

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:confused:No sane landlord would do that, chucking away £££ in rent when they have mortgages to pay.
Yeah, no one's fecking doing that, and if they can afford to do that then good luck to them.
Hold on, I was careful to point out a fair few times that we're talking about landlords that buy an excessive amount of properties. This all started from discussing Rashford buying houses so landlords that have mortgages to bleedin' pay were never on the agenda. There are literally hundreds of thousands of properties across the U.K. that have been left vacant for 6 months or more. A lot of them will need work doing to them to bring them up to a liveable standard, while some have been left to go derelict (though that's probably not the norm). If you take a quick look you'll see that empty homes are most frequent in the cheapest council tax bands (unsurprising) and the most expensive.
 

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Bang on the money. I've heard of family friends getting evicted during lockdown after loosing their income and not being able to afford rent. Some of them are heartless and only care for money.
They are but many see it as a business so you can understand their point of view if they are reliant on the money themselves.

I thought evictions were banned temporarily

Renters affected by coronavirus will continue to be protected after the government extended the ban on evictions for another 4 weeks, meaning in total no legal evictions will have taken place for 6 months, Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick has announced today (21 August 2020).

The government also intends to give tenants greater protection from eviction over the winter by requiring landlords to provide tenants with 6 months’ notice in all bar those cases raising other serious issues such as those involving anti-social behaviour and domestic abuse perpetrators, until at least the end of March.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jenrick-extends-ban-on-evictions-and-notice-periods
 

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No I'm not, and neither is Rashford for asking for state help for kids in a national crisis. He may not be renting out these properties to the highest bidder but if he is he may need to rethink.
 
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Bang on the money. I've heard of family friends getting evicted during lockdown after loosing their income and not being able to afford rent. Some of them are heartless and only care for money.
even though there’s an eviction ban? I suspect this is rumour rather than a true story. Courts aren’t even hearing section 8 or section 21 orders at the moment in most places, and when they were briefly, dates were set well into 2021.

and yes, it should be run as a business. The increase in tax that Osbourne introduced had the(unintended?) consequence of moving many landlords to purchase through a limited company. As with any business if you treat your clients/ customers in the right way, that’s how you can make your business work for you. Unless you are Ryanair. There are obviously rogue landlords, as much as there are rouge tenants, who move into properties with the intention of not paying, and end up costing the landlord thousands of pounds. Both are the minority.
 

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Smacks of 14yo who just learned about socialism.
Have you seen renting costs in Manchester? No wonder their kids are eating pickled onion flavour monster munch sandwiches. However socialism was born in Manchester and Marcus will be best advised to learn from it to meet his good ambitions of ending child food poverty.
 
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Hold on, I was careful to point out a fair few times that we're talking about landlords that buy an excessive amount of properties. This all started from discussing Rashford buying houses so landlords that have mortgages to bleedin' pay were never on the agenda. There are literally hundreds of thousands of properties across the U.K. that have been left vacant for 6 months or more. A lot of them will need work doing to them to bring them up to a liveable standard, while some have been left to go derelict (though that's probably not the norm). If you take a quick look you'll see that empty homes are most frequent in the cheapest council tax bands (unsurprising) and the most expensive.
What is excessive? The biggest landlords are housing associations, who whilst may appear to be providing for the needy (great marketing) often have the worst customer service, poor properties, and of course act for the sole purpose of their shareholders.
 

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They are but many see it as a business so you can understand their point of view if they are reliant on the money themselves.

I thought evictions were banned temporarily



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jenrick-extends-ban-on-evictions-and-notice-periods
I have heard of this myself, not sure what the outcome ended up as, but a couple living on the same street as my uncle were due to move out in April with another family set to move in and the landlord was actively seeking to have them removed. I only know as there had apparently been cops on the street and some of their stuff on the lawn.

However I do understand your point that it is an income to them, but there also comes a responsibility to the Tennant's.
 

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Hold on, I was careful to point out a fair few times that we're talking about landlords that buy an excessive amount of properties. This all started from discussing Rashford buying houses so landlords that have mortgages to bleedin' pay were never on the agenda. There are literally hundreds of thousands of properties across the U.K. that have been left vacant for 6 months or more. A lot of them will need work doing to them to bring them up to a liveable standard, while some have been left to go derelict (though that's probably not the norm). If you take a quick look you'll see that empty homes are most frequent in the cheapest council tax bands (unsurprising) and the most expensive.
This is a lazy observation.

Finding a tenant to rent a property in a 'shit' area, with literately nothing near by other than an off-licence, one pub and a takeaway, as opposed to a city centre or more gentrified area is always going to be a struggle.Of course they lay vacant, but not by choice. Once that area becomes more gentrified those properties will get snapped up. It only takes a couple of coffee shops and leisure centre and that changes.

You'll also find now that a lot of people buying homes are retirees looking to secure their pensions after the Tories properly fecked them up. This isn't the reason people can't afford their own homes as you originally suggested.
 

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Seems more and media sources are trying to damage our players.

some journalist can’t stand seeing someone succeed. We like in a weird world where certain journalists write a story like this to destroy a young man like marcus. He has done so much, encourage him! Promote his work! Don’t fight him! That’s just sick.

Footballers these days make this kind of money.

he did a good job responding on the spot
 

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Hold on, I was careful to point out a fair few times that we're talking about landlords that buy an excessive amount of properties. This all started from discussing Rashford buying houses so landlords that have mortgages to bleedin' pay were never on the agenda. There are literally hundreds of thousands of properties across the U.K. that have been left vacant for 6 months or more. A lot of them will need work doing to them to bring them up to a liveable standard, while some have been left to go derelict (though that's probably not the norm). If you take a quick look you'll see that empty homes are most frequent in the cheapest council tax bands (unsurprising) and the most expensive.
:lol:You were talking landlords sitting on properties in the hope of raking in chunky capital gains, not near-derelict hellholes in a rough part of Hartlepool.

The handful in the top bracket are often either owned by people who've run into difficulties of some sort and don't maintain them or they need massive capital investment, or they own multiple properties around the world.

The second category are largely irrelevant to the housing shortage, but compulsory council purchase of and investment in the former always semms to be overlooked for some reason. If the houses are too shite, surely demolish and rebuild.
 

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Imagine trying to demonise him for wanting to secure his future. Buying houses with the money he’s hard work earned doesn’t invalidate his campaigning and charity work.

The media in this country is just...
 

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This is a lazy observation.

Finding a tenant to rent a property in a 'shit' area, with literately nothing near by other than an off-licence, one pub and a takeaway, as opposed to a city centre or more gentrified area is always going to be a struggle.Of course they lay vacant, but not by choice. Once that area becomes more gentrified those properties will get snapped up. It only takes a couple of coffee shops and leisure centre and that changes.

You'll also find now that a lot of people buying homes are retirees looking to secure their pensions after the Tories properly fecked them up. This isn't the reason people can't afford their own homes as you originally suggested.
Jaysus! I didn't say people buying multiple properties were the reason for the housing crisis but a contributing factor, which they are. It's a bit tiring being misquoted to be honest. Again, I'm not talking about old people buying a second local property to sure up their pension but individuals with large portfolios that don't see housing as a utility but as a cash cow. They lay vacant because big time landlords don't want to go to the effort of resurrecting derelict homes in poor areas by providing adequate and affordable housing because it takes time and profit margins will be much smaller. Councils are stepping in but as we know they are cash strapped thanks to the Tories.

George Monbiot did a great write up on how dire it has gotten if you're interested.
 

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Jaysus! I didn't say people buying multiple properties were the reason for the housing crisis but a contributing factor, which they are. It's a bit tiring being misquoted to be honest. Again, I'm not talking about old people buying a second local property to sure up their pension but individuals with large portfolios that don't see housing as a utility but as a cash cow. They lay vacant because big time landlords don't want to go to the effort of resurrecting derelict homes in poor areas by providing adequate and affordable housing because it takes time and profit margins will be much smaller. Councils are stepping in but as we know they are cash strapped thanks to the Tories.

George Monbiot did a great write up on how dire it has gotten if you're interested.
Ah okay, apologies for miss-quoting, I was piggy backing on someone's elses comments which must have got lost somewhere along the line.

I will read the article.

Thanks
 

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:lol:You were talking landlords sitting on properties in the hope of raking in chunky capital gains, not near-derelict hellholes in a rough part of Hartlepool.

The handful in the top bracket are often either owned by people who've run into difficulties of some sort and don't maintain them or they need massive capital investment, or they own multiple properties around the world.

The second category are largely irrelevant to the housing shortage, but compulsory council purchase of and investment in the former always semms to be overlooked for some reason. If the houses are too shite, surely demolish and rebuild.
Yeah, the wider point made within that conversation was that there's a housing crisis but I never said those extreme examples are the reason for the crisis itself. They do exist though, and are obviously still a problem. The value of vacant properties in the U.K. is over £50bn.
 

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Yeah, the wider point made within that conversation was that there's a housing crisis but I never said those extreme examples are the reason for the crisis itself. They do exist though, and are obviously still a problem. The value of vacant properties in the U.K. is over £50bn.
Maybe with the high street and shopping centres dying on their arses, some of these buildings can be repurposed into quality social and affordable housing.
Anyway, I'm as guilty as anyone of derailing this thread.
 

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Ok... so footballers buy luxury houses and flash cars they get demonised.... footballers invest their money in property they get demonised.... well that’s not entirely true. I’ve never seen these types of articles written about Robbie Fowler (who owns a huge property portfolio) Michael Owen ( properties and businesses) or Gary Neville (who owns hotels, cafes, over 50 other businesse and no doubt also has investment properties ) or the countless of the other footballers who invest their money wisely.... what’s the issue with Marcus ? Sterling buys a house for his mum, the Daily Mail demonises it, Rashford invest in properties that Daily Mail demonises it.

Maybe they hate people that do things for charity? Actually seems like they don’t here the DM is writing very positively about Beckham’s charity work.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...ham-deserves-knighted-charity-work-world.html

Maybe they hate footballers being clever with their money and investing in property? Seems not. In this article they talk about Winners and losers in property amongst footballers. Robbie Fowler is described as a shrewd investor, and no criticism for Rooney contributing to the gentrification and raising of house prices in what used to be a poor part of East London.

Really the evidence is there and only those who share the daily mail’s view will refuse to acknowledge it.