Nani may not have been quite Rooney/Tevez levels of workrate, but he was a far harder worker than Rashford. Indeed, his willingness to do his defensive duties for such a flair player was something that stood out quite well compared to a lot of his contemporaries.
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
As already indicated, you're talking ballcocks, SAF tolerated a lot when he wanted to, he was also intolerant when he chose to be
I would also suggest that the posters assertion completely dismisses Ferguson’s ability to inspire and motivate; one of his best (if not his greatest) qualities.
Was gonna reply to that post but trying to refrain from WUM shite like that these days.
I would go so far as to say that Rashford would be a world class player by now under Fergusons stewardship.
Yeah I thought about that as well, but as a Newbie, if he keeps it up in this thread he can't contaminate another one
What a crock of shite
If we put Rashford up for sale, he’ll be fetching a massive fee in excess of 75-80m. Diaz wouldn’t get close.
“Superior” my arse, in what fecking World is Diaz superior man? The feck have I just read?
Don't even try, man. The general consensus about Rashford's ability is one of the dumbest agendas I've ever seen on the caf. Just in the last few months the names I've seen claimed to be "superior to" or "much better than" Rashford, without a hint of irony, is truly embarrassing.
Maybe if you take your Utd blinkers off...What a crock of shite
If we put Rashford up for sale, he’ll be fetching a massive fee in excess of 75-80m. Diaz wouldn’t get close.
“Superior” my arse, in what fecking World is Diaz superior man? The feck have I just read?
https://one-versus-one.com/en/compare-players/Marcus-Rashford-vs-Luis-Diaz
Rashford might be by far the more talented, but a lot of that is going to waste, which is the complaint about Rashford.
All that shows is he's better at defending, no one would argue that he's not, but from and attacking standpoint Diaz will never hit Rashfords top level.
Yeah let’s compare a season with Liverpool at the top of the league, with United struggling.
Can you do the same for last season with United in better form and Liverpool struggling ? Do we reckon it looks close then?
I’ve seen some daft posts in my time, but this is up there as one of the best.
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Yeah let’s compare a season with Liverpool at the top of the league, with United struggling.
Can you do the same for last season with United in better form and Liverpool struggling ? Do we reckon it looks close then?
I’ve seen some daft posts in my time, but this is up there as one of the best.
Rashford is talented but he is also inconsistent. He is also very one dimensional and provides nothing but goals. Goals are key in games but when rashy is not scoring he is as useful on the pitch as Woodward was useful as CEO
If his salary was fair then he could slot in a squad member/first team role. However he is on silly money. A senior player on 300k a week must play week in week out
Not sure who you are arguing with here or what the funk this has to do with my post laughing at the suggestion Diaz is a better player?
We all know your thoughts on Rashford already, you’ve just repeated them here.
First of all, that's not true.
Secondly, using your logic, what does Díaz offer when he doesn't score?
I can't care less about Diaz. He is not our player and we won't get him. This thread is about rashy not diaz
What does he provide apart from goals? When he is off form he's unwatchable. He can't be bothered tracking back
The point being, sometimes a "worse" player is better for the team. But if you haven't realised this yet let's pick this up again in a few years when you're a bit more mature.
Yeah let’s compare a season with Liverpool at the top of the league, with United struggling.
Can you do the same for last season with United in better form and Liverpool struggling ? Do we reckon it looks close then?
I’ve seen some daft posts in my time, but this is up there as one of the best.
That wasn’t the point though, I responded to a post claiming:
So erm, let’s pick this up again when you’ve learnt to read before posting? Maybe take a minute to see what you are actually responding to?
Not sure how anyone could have seen our previous match (the one that should be right at the front of our collective memories) and ask this question with a straight face to be honest?
Yeah, I knew that would be the thing you bring up. Do you know whether that's a tactical instruction or Rashford just being lazy? ETH has shown he has no problem benching anyone, including Marcus, even for mundane things like being 1 minute late to a team meeting. If Rashford was disobeying ETH's instructions, I don't think he would on the pitch very often. Not every player is tasked to track back at all times. Right now, we are a transition-heavy side, who cedes control to their opponents, and Rashford is probably left up higher on the pitch when we don't have the ball, because it's optimal for him to be as high as possible when we do win it back.
By the way, Rashford is one of the most dangerous players in the league, an uncontainable threat in transitions, can carry the ball through the oppositions half effortlessly, has incredible place, really good physicality, is one of our most creative players, and very few players in the Premier League are an outlet like he is with the ball. Just because he doesn't score or assist every game, that doesn't mean he's not offering anything.
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The Liverpool's game is an outlier. For example We scored loads of goals despite the fact we struggle to score goals. You have to judge players on a long period of time. Rashford provide little else then goals and when he doesn't score then he is pretty useless
Hojlund, Bruno, garnacho and Anthony tend to track back far more then rashy does. Also note that there's a limit to how many players eth can burn bridges with especially in time of an injury crisis. Quite frankly I can't see eth surviving a clash with rashy/bruno
That should probably hint to you that in a more free flowing attacking system, he’d provide a tonne.
Strange it doesn’t to be honest.
Again that's an outlier. A 300k a week player can't jog on the pitch for most of the game
Messi rarely tracked back at Barca. Mbappé can also seem lazy on the pitch when PSG is defending a transition / in their own half. Obviously Rashford is not as good as them (although he had the potential to become an Mbappé level winger, his development just kind of didn't go the way it could've), but the idea is the same.
From the players you listed, only Hojlund provides a similar level of transitional threat, because much like Rashford, he's also very physical, and yet very fast, and a good ball carrier as well, despite his poacher qualities. Both of them are able to go from the halfway line into the opposition box in the blink of an eye, whether they have the ball or they're making a run off the ball.
Bruno is a great transition player due to his creativity, final ball, and ball striking. He's the guy that starts transitions, or ends them, not the guy who will pick up the ball at the halfway line, and passes or takes a shot deep in the final third. Antony is just a ball retention player, who's strengths are more useful for a possession-based team. Garnacho has been great lately, but he's not the guy you leave upfront with the likes of Rashford and Bruno defending deep instead.
Rashy is no mbappe, Messi or Ronaldo faaaar from it. A lesser player can't afford jogging on the pitch for a big chunk of the game
Yes, I literally said that he's obviously not on that level, but they aren't the only examples either.
Whether he can afford to be jogging high up the pitch when his team is defending is for the manager and coaching staff to decide.
As it stands, he's one of the most dangerous transition players in the league, and we as a team heavily rely on transitions in order to score goals. Obviously, Rashford isn't going to be defending in his own half for the whole game, when he's one of our biggest strengths going forward, and he would be knackered after 60 minutes if he was running up and down the pitch the whole game. It basically significantly reduces our chances of scoring, if our biggest transitional threat is given too much defensive duty in a heavily transition-based team.
The Liverpool game he put a shift in because he simply had to. He was sulking 2 years ago for Ralph walking round the pitch at Etihad. It's laughable people claim it's manager tactics he is incapable of putting a basic shift in every week
You could allow the lack of defensive tracking back from the very best players, most prolific players. Rashford is not that.
It's actually his pressing that I have bigger concerns with, there's no way EtH is telling Rashford not to press from the front and allow teams play through us with ease
It's actually his pressing that I have bigger concerns with, there's no way EtH is telling Rashford not to press from the front and allow teams play through us with ease
Honestly what a crazy narrative. When the opposition (was it Barkley?) just ran around him a few games back and Rashford couldn't be bothered, what manager would be happy with that?
I'm hearing Fergie would be able to motivate him, I wouldn't be so sure (with this squad). He didn't have a magic wand - Rashford has gone through LVG, Jose, Ole, RR, EtH and blown hot and cold throughout. The continuous pattern (apart from RR) being he appears to do better at the start.
Personally I don't mind Rashford, I think people try to make him out as a leader and a player to rely on, and he's not that. If we get better players playing (and competing) with him, he'll improve I feel and be more motivated as a result. He works a lot harder for England where he doesn't have a guaranteed place.
Arguments about whether he's more or less individually talented than other individuals past or present isn't relevant. Is he more capable of looking like a top class talent on his day vs Valencia? Yes. But Valencia wouldn't spend 60-70% of the season looking dreadful and a complete liability on the field in the majority of games.
Nani was a very frustrating player, but never suffered from main character syndrome like Rashford.
I would rather replace him with someone whose highs were a lot lower, if their lows were a lot higher.
Nani was a very frustrating player, but never suffered from main character syndrome like Rashford.
I would rather replace him with someone whose highs were a lot lower, if their lows were a lot higher.
He wouldn't make the squad, SAF would have sold him pretty quickly.
Rashford can be a very good footballer whose style is similar to Mbappe but has never been as good. We tend to overrate him when he is in form (eg last season) because he plays for us.
Messi, in his younger days, used to track back alot.
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But he can't play free flowing attack, he's one of the reasons we don't now.
Very much doubt that. As it can't be proven either way silly statement to make.
The current best boss in the Premier league said this of Marcus - Pep said 'The only player that I would take from Manchester United is Rashford.'
So if he wants to work with him, I'm pretty sure Sir Alex could have gotten the best out of him.
Yes because Pep has always been truthful and never manipulated United.
I think so too.
Depends. This Rashford would not be at the club under Ferguson, who wouldn't have bought "yes he doesn't track back, but he might have things on his mind, bless him" for a second.
How exactly did he manipulate us?
When he’s in the mood and in form he causes lots of problems to the opposition. His passing can be really good when he spots them overlaps down the left side. His work rate is the problem. He gives up to soon