I think people might be more accommodating to the whole conserving energy thing if we actually saw the benefits of him then expending it.People really going with this conserving energy angle. Was Martial also conserving energy?
I think people might be more accommodating to the whole conserving energy thing if we actually saw the benefits of him then expending it.People really going with this conserving energy angle. Was Martial also conserving energy?
The elephant in the room is that he's clearly not been able to develop his game. He's the same player he was 5 years ago. Same strengths, same weaknesses. Nothing has developed. He's neither got noticeably better at attributes he appeared to have a natural gift for when he first broke into it team, nor has he developed in any significant way any other element of his game.
He's the same player.
The elephant in the room is that he's clearly not been able to develop his game. He's the same player he was 5 years ago. Same strengths, same weaknesses. Nothing has developed. He's neither got noticeably better at attributes he appeared to have a natural gift for when he first broke into it team, nor has he developed in any significant way any other element of his game.
He's the same player.
Sorry didn't realise you posted basically the same thing as me. I'm glad someone agrees, he's just undergoing early decline and people are mistaking it for an attitude problem..He deteriorated.
Lost a bit of acceleration. But this aside, his game is so one dimensional that most semi-competent defenders know well what he is going to do.
He's sadly a player who offers (occasionally) some individual brilliance but is not of acceptable quality for any coherent football team which wants to win games and titles by playing better/less haphazard football week in week out.
Sadly, incompetent people in the club put him on the pedestal for this reason or another and whoever is our coach clearly is being influenced by this apparent power that United gave to Rashford.
Depends if said player is wrapped up in their public profile and fame. Ive said this before, while city and liverpool have been hoovering up leagues and champions leagues, who are their social media sluts? Weve had Pogba, Lingard and the last remnant of the disneyland era, RashfordAs far as I can see these days there is little to zero upside for any footballer currently to even be on social media. It's a cess pit and probably 99.9% of players would be far better off coming off it altogether.
If it does Rashford good to come off it then I'm all for it. Just can't see that there is any benefit for any elite sportsperson to be on there.
Sorry didn't realise you posted basically the same thing as me. I'm glad someone agrees, he's just undergoing early decline and people are mistaking it for an attitude problem..
If you dont have any idea then why are you making shit up?I have no idea do you?
But I’d argue that a small % of his underperforming is down to mental health, Luke Shaws absence and adapting to playing with Højlund.
If we sell him we're probably looking to bring in Olise to replace him, irrrespective of his workrate/attitude etc, if we trying to build a possession type team then Rashford doesn't fit that style, he's also useless against teams that play low blocksThe issue with selling him is this our front line:
Garnacho 19 Højlund 21 Rashford 26
Antony 24 Nobody Amad 21
It needs some PL or top flight experience.
Well I’m not making the fact he has struggled with his mental health, has struggled without Shaw and will have had to adapt his game for Højlund.If you dont have any idea then why are you making shit up?
Olise has 195 days to worth of absence due to hamstring injuries over the last 2 seasons. Thats equated to 21 games (8 this season, 13 last). He managed 1275 mins this season (37.2% of the PL season). Doesn’t that concern you?If we sell him we're probably looking to bring in Olise to replace him, irrrespective of his workrate/attitude etc, if we trying to build a possession type team then Rashford doesn't fit that style, he's also useless against teams that play low blocks
I'm not one who thinks we should buy Olise but a lot of folks do, there's no point in buying him if Rashford is still thereWell I’m not making the fact he has struggled with his mental health, has struggled without Shaw and will have had to adapt his game for Højlund.
I just don’t know how much each of those are impacting.
Olise has 195 days to worth of absence due to hamstring injuries over the last 2 seasons. Thats equated to 21 games (8 this season, 13 last). He managed 1275 mins this season (37.2% of the PL season). Doesn’t that concern you?
Even if Rashford were sold (I don’t think he will be) who then comes in to replace him?I'm not one who thinks we should buy Olise but a lot of folks do, there's no point in buying him if Rashford is still there
We are looking at Olise already. If Rashford leaves wel replace him with another forward or striker.If we sell him we're probably looking to bring in Olise to replace him, irrrespective of his workrate/attitude etc, if we trying to build a possession type team then Rashford doesn't fit that style, he's also useless against teams that play low blocks
He'd get alot less stick if he would track back, make an effort off the ball, even when hes not playing well. It wasnt too much for Giggs or Beckham to do the less glamourous side of things on the pitch. Even as awful as he is as a player on the ball, Antony will still track back, get into position. Keep shape and do the hard work.
Another player the club has failed really, at this point he should leave, fans can't stand him and his application is horrid.
Another player the club has failed really, at this point he should leave, fans can't stand him and his application is horrid.
How did the club fail him?
That's irrelevant but to answer your question, not many. I also don't think many players should be leaving this club when their reputation and standing has grown as we should look to keep them so it's fairly moot.There is a clear correlation of players coming here and not fulfilling their potential. Who is the last player who left this club with their reputation and standing bigger than when they arrived?
There is a clear correlation of players coming here and not fulfilling their potential. Who is the last player who left this club with their reputation and standing bigger than when they arrived?
A combination of playing him injured which has taken away from his ability, not developing him well enough (Think he should have been a 9), different managers, different styles. Circus at the club. He is not devoid of blame because a player of his talent should be doing better but this is the story of everyone who has come here in the last few years. Its a bad environment for players.
That's irrelevant but to answer your question, not many. I also don't think many players should be leaving this club when their reputation and standing has grown as we should look to keep them so it's fairly moot.
I assume you are talking about the commercially focused environment we have forcing players to lose concentration on the football, the player still has a choice. He has failed the club far more than we have failed him in my opinion.
a 9 who won’t tackle, press or head the ball? The invisible 9. We’ve tried him there too occasionally and he’s terrible
How's that irrelevant? My point is that acting like this is all on Rashford and the environment he is doesn't play a part wouldn't be fair, the proof is there.
Not just that, the whole setup, it is well documented to be amateurish, beneath the standards of a club of this size, also allows for player power. It is all conducive to players not fairing well here, it does not absolve them of any blame but it paints a full picture. My takeaway is he comes up at any other top 6 club he ends up a better player than he is now. He was really good for England up until recently. No excuses at all for how bad he has been, last year he scored 30 all comps and has had a couple other 20 plus seasons for us, there is clearly a player there os the fcat we havent got that more regularly is damning on us too as well as him.
The never ending list of excuses. its like his best ever season wasnt last year, not 5 years ago. Whats changed? The ball isnt flying in the net for him now so turned into a 15 year old girl trying to deal with itHow's that irrelevant? My point is that acting like this is all on Rashford and the environment he is doesn't play a part wouldn't be fair, the proof is there.
Not just that, the whole setup, it is well documented to be amateurish, beneath the standards of a club of this size, also allows for player power. It is all conducive to players not fairing well here, it does not absolve them of any blame but it paints a full picture. My takeaway is he comes up at any other top 6 club he ends up a better player than he is now. He was really good for England up until recently. No excuses at all for how bad he has been, last year he scored 30 all comps and has had a couple other 20 plus seasons for us, there is clearly a player there os the fcat we havent got that more regularly is damning on us too as well as him.
For me it's irrelevant to say what other players have/ haven't done as a bearing on what happened to Marcus as if there is one case then it suggests it's possible, for which there will be one. I agree the club could have done more and done better 100%, perhaps it was the initial wording I took issue with, we promoted him paid him 300k a week and gave him superstar status and typically he pays that back with lack of work, going out clubbing and appearing quite unprofessional at points which is why I think he has failed the club.
We definitely could have done more for him as we also seem to bow to his notoriety and seemingly can't drop him or criticise him due to the size of his brand and the power of the PR around him, I'm not even referring to how bad he has been but I just want to see more from the person. Let me float a scenario: He has the same season this year in terms of output but he is the consumate professional, regularly states he is working harder and the manager attests he is in earlier, stays later and on the field we see a man giving everything with his defensive work, willingness to pass (Not always the cut in shoot) and contesting for every ball: That's a player I am fully behind and will support so for me I wouldn't look at it as he didn't score enough, he's failed us, I look at it as his effort/ professionalism and desire can be questioned very easily with the optics test and that's a foundational thing to make sure you have, it should be a pre-requisite, like us paying his salary or giving him somewhere to train.
To simplify it as I have a tendancy to waffle:
Player requirements
Level 1: Give everything and be professional but awful output
Level 2: Not professional or giving everything but have a great output
Level 3: Give everything, be professional, great output
Club requirements
Level 1: Pay Salary
Level 2: Give Coaching, tactics, ample opportunity
Level 3: Top quality environment, top quality coaches and superb tactical advise with discipline in the hard times
My feeling is we as a club are giving him level 1 & 2, he isn't giving level 1 so I had the wording of "We failed him", we could have done better for him but I think he's failed us..
The never ending list of excuses. its like his best ever season wasnt last year, not 5 years ago. Whats changed? The ball isnt flying in the net for him now so turned into a 15 year old girl trying to deal with it
At the present moment no club other than the Saudis are going to pay 80m for Rashford. He has not been good enough to earn a place on a top team this season and teams are not going to pay 80 based on last season. I do feel that a move to a different club might give him the kick start he so obviously needsReally feels like he either got complacent or distracted (or both) and never truly pushed himself into that world-class gear for more than the odd purple patch.
Tough one but if we get a tasty offer of say £80m it would be a risk worth taking for me.
What intent? If he leaves it will be because he wants toIf he leaves this will be a true statement of intent
On current form if we started the season with Garnacho LW and Amad RW I think we'd be better off.If he leaves and we don't replace him adequately then yes it would be a true statement of intent