If United are serious about challenging for honours they need to offload him asap. Thing is, who'd want him?
Marcus Rashford (Out) | Ornstein: United want to keep, will only consider substantial bids
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We’ve done this many times. Ronaldo 2.0 Cavani Zlatan Lukaku Di Maria Sancho (G+A over 20) and so on. It means nothing if the heart isn’t in it or the legs are gone
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I’m not saying it is a guarantee but I’m also confident saying Amad, Garnacho and Højlund won’t have anywhere near enough. (And I like all 3)
I don’t think the issue is heart or legs.
If you can't see that his heart isn't in it that's on you.
And just because Amad, Garnacho and Højlund might not score near enough isn't a reason to keep another player who also won't do the same.
Now that you mention it I really can’t remember him actually challenging for the ball. I remember lots of examples of doing the actual closing down, but not a real expectation or appetite to win the ball.
If he does not motivated in the pre-season, after not being picked for England, I would sell him this summer. Its a make or break season for Marcus. I know his contract is till 2028, but another bad season will permanently damage his reputation.
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I think Marcus Rashford has serious mental issues that are affecting his ability to perform.
I think that the abuse he’s suffered particularly at the Euros has stuck with him and I also think the stress fractures he’s suffered have reduced his confidence to duel with players aerially.
I don’t believe for one second that Rashford doesn’t care about the performances or the team and that his heart isn’t in it, I think that’s ridiculous. Was his heart in it last season when he was banging in the goals?
What happened during last summer that he started having mental issues? He had his best season and then probably his worst.
I have seen plenty of excuses made for Rashford, but this one is quite creative to say the least.
I'd say he's virtually impossible to sell this summer after such a dire season.
Next summer, with any upturn in form and a year less on his contract, we may attract some interest. However, if his performances improved even slightly, we'd be stupid enough to keep him thinking he's on the right track.
We've made Rashford like a squatter who will be near impossible to get rid of until that ridiculous contract expires.
Next summer, with any upturn in form and a year less on his contract, we may attract some interest. However, if his performances improved even slightly, we'd be stupid enough to keep him thinking he's on the right track.
We've made Rashford like a squatter who will be near impossible to get rid of until that ridiculous contract expires.
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I have no idea do you?
But I’d argue that a small % of his underperforming is down to mental health, Luke Shaws absence and adapting to playing with Højlund.
Not sure if you know anyone who’s had a cracked spine, it kind of knocks your confidence putting loads onto your back which jumping does regardless of whether someone else is then jumping on or with you.
I mean he did break his back and was still playing under Ole until his body gave up, that's why I don't buy this he doesn't try because that doesn't tally with playing with that injury in fact it suggests the exact opposite
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His lack of effort off the ball was pretty evident even under Mourinho, and the manager even said this back then, yes this was aimed at the whole team but Rashford was certainly part of this issue.
Put his performance this season, his wages, and his transfer fee aside, Arsenal is well stocked in the left wing with Trossard and Martinelli. They contributed 25 goals and 7 assist together. Arsenal doesn't need another left winger, we need to add a right winger to rotate and challenge Saka.
Social media? After his campaign to feed kids, it seems like things have changed? Did he get abuse from opposistiin fans? Is he losing focus away from football?
Just heard Mike Phelen on Talksport saying that Rashford hasn't the appetite to improve his game, relying solely on his strengths and lacking resilience. Quite hard to listen to when talking about someone who is paid so much. Sure, his wage isn't his fault but for a former first team assistant to say such things is hard to take.
As far as I can see these days there is little to zero upside for any footballer currently to even be on social media. It's a cess pit and probably 99.9% of players would be far better off coming off it altogether.
If it does Rashford good to come off it then I'm all for it. Just can't see that there is any benefit for any elite sportsperson to be on there.
The elephant in the room is that he's clearly not been able to develop his game. He's the same player he was 5 years ago. Same strengths, same weaknesses. Nothing has developed. He's neither got noticeably better at attributes he appeared to have a natural gift for when he first broke into it team, nor has he developed in any significant way any other element of his game.
He's the same player.
He's the same player.
I think people might be more accommodating to the whole conserving energy thing if we actually saw the benefits of him then expending it.
He deteriorated.
Lost a bit of acceleration. But this aside, his game is so one dimensional that most semi-competent defenders know well what he is going to do.
He's sadly a player who offers (occasionally) some individual brilliance but is not of acceptable quality for any coherent football team which wants to win games and titles by playing better/less haphazard football week in week out.
Sadly, incompetent people in the club put him on the pedestal for this reason or another and whoever is our coach clearly is being influenced by this apparent power that United gave to Rashford.
He's just not very good anymore. Lost some of his pace and no longer has the stamina to track back and press. I don't think it's an effort thing, he's declined due to injuries like Martial.
Quite insightful given it’s coming from a coach that has worked with him. I agree with what Phelan says here about Rashford stagnating and not pushing himself to develop his game further. Hes far too one dimensional as a wide forward IMO and needed more to his game to really elevate himself into that world-class category.
For example… Why hasn’t he continued his progress as an aerial threat in the box. Why has he never developed his cutting inside curling far post shot that the likes of Saka and Salah are so effective with.
Really feels like he either got complacent or distracted (or both) and never truly pushed himself into that world-class gear for more than the odd purple patch.
Tough one but if we get a tasty offer of say £80m it would be a risk worth taking for me.
Couldn’t agree more. See my post above.
Sorry didn't realise you posted basically the same thing as me. I'm glad someone agrees, he's just undergoing early decline and people are mistaking it for an attitude problem..
Depends if said player is wrapped up in their public profile and fame. Ive said this before, while city and liverpool have been hoovering up leagues and champions leagues, who are their social media sluts? Weve had Pogba, Lingard and the last remnant of the disneyland era, Rashford
He'd get alot less stick if he would track back, make an effort off the ball, even when hes not playing well. It wasnt too much for Giggs or Beckham to do the less glamourous side of things on the pitch. Even as awful as he is as a player on the ball, Antony will still track back, get into position. Keep shape and do the hard work.
So you're saying the infamous Barkley clip (one of many) is due to decline and not attitude?
If you dont have any idea then why are you making shit up?
If we sell him we're probably looking to bring in Olise to replace him, irrrespective of his workrate/attitude etc, if we trying to build a possession type team then Rashford doesn't fit that style, he's also useless against teams that play low blocks
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Well I’m not making the fact he has struggled with his mental health, has struggled without Shaw and will have had to adapt his game for Højlund.
I just don’t know how much each of those are impacting.
Olise has 195 days to worth of absence due to hamstring injuries over the last 2 seasons. Thats equated to 21 games (8 this season, 13 last). He managed 1275 mins this season (37.2% of the PL season). Doesn’t that concern you?
Let’s say the Arsenal news is true and he signs for them who replaces him?
Olise seems to be a name consistently linked for the right side, but who would we sign as competition on the left?
(or ETH leaves and Sancho is re-integrated)
Olise seems to be a name consistently linked for the right side, but who would we sign as competition on the left?
(or ETH leaves and Sancho is re-integrated)
To be fair to Rashford it's probably a good idea to conserve energy if you're planning to go on an all night bender after the game.
I'm not one who thinks we should buy Olise but a lot of folks do, there's no point in buying him if Rashford is still there
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Even if Rashford were sold (I don’t think he will be) who then comes in to replace him?
Garnacho may eventually develop into what we want but usually it takes 21/22 years old to mature your game to impact more and more unless you’re an absolute freak in the PL.
We are looking at Olise already. If Rashford leaves wel replace him with another forward or striker.
I agree, it would help his case if he would appear to put in some effort and not look like having to play football is an inconvenience to him.
Another player the club has failed really, at this point he should leave, fans can't stand him and his application is horrid.
how has the Club failed him?
How did the club fail him?
There is a clear correlation of players coming here and not fulfilling their potential. Who is the last player who left this club with their reputation and standing bigger than when they arrived?
A combination of playing him injured which has taken away from his ability, not developing him well enough (Think he should have been a 9), different managers, different styles. Circus at the club. He is not devoid of blame because a player of his talent should be doing better but this is the story of everyone who has come here in the last few years. Its a bad environment for players.
That's irrelevant but to answer your question, not many. I also don't think many players should be leaving this club when their reputation and standing has grown as we should look to keep them so it's fairly moot.
I assume you are talking about the commercially focused environment we have forcing players to lose concentration on the football, the player still has a choice. He has failed the club far more than we have failed him in my opinion.