Rashford gives a feck. He has the opposite issue and tries too much and gets on the ball trying to work his way out of bad form so it looks worse. Martial just does a Liam Miller impersonation and disappears.
Martial's United career so far?
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He's pretty much the exact same player as 3 years ago.
Very disappointed in him.
He used to be one of my favorite players, but no longer is.
Very disappointed in him.
He used to be one of my favorite players, but no longer is.
I think he was better 3 years ago.
Maybe. He's certainly not improved from 3 years ago at all.
His development has been awful. I blame him and the coaching stuff who've had him all these years.
Make or break year up for him. With fans behind Ole , players cannot hide performing badly.
He ran at players more but I think thats mainly to do with the way Van Gaal used him.
Can't see him ever making it here tbh, there's something not quite right about him.
Poor mans Nani.
Only he cost an absolute fortune to sign.
I agree, we should be considering selling, we could cash in on him. We have way to many players who blow hot and cold..
They're not remotely similar.
I've always been surprised that Poch is always interested in him, he's possibly the most un-Spurs like player you could sign. Zero intensity or workrate, can't pass 5 yards but a good dribbler and finisher.
He really frustrates me, when he's not feeling it, like today, he looks absolutely shocking. He's been here a while now and not really progressed, he'll get next season under Solskjær but he won't be able to pull the same stunts he did with Mourinho so he has to improve, drastically if he wants to stay on.
I was never Martial FC. But I really did rate the player. And I thought he would start fulfilling the promise. But I'm not too sure now.
I think we should still give him one more year. But we need a new & better striker who's going to push these guys to start delivering. If they don't then show them the door. Time to get ruthless.
I can see where you're coming from. I don't see him have to the drive to match his potential. People used to call him the new Thierry Henry. He's more the new Nicholas Anelka. I really just want players who are going to fight for the badge. He rarely shows that passion. Plus, he's no where near his transfer fee or £250k a week.
I think we should still give him one more year. But we need a new & better striker who's going to push these guys to start delivering. If they don't then show them the door. Time to get ruthless.
Is he though? Seems to be another player that's only linked with other teams when he wants a new contract.
Send him to Dortmund in exchange for a certain player.
Martial, like Depay before him, needs an intermediate step before the big-time. He'll blossom in the BuLi with its shite defences. Plus he'll have his French mates Diallo, Zagadou for company.
Martial, like Depay before him, needs an intermediate step before the big-time. He'll blossom in the BuLi with its shite defences. Plus he'll have his French mates Diallo, Zagadou for company.
He's got the ability but he's lacking the heart and drive to become a great. Such a shame.
Talent can't take a player alone any farther.
He lacks so much basic stuff about playing football it'll be impossible to improve all these by just aging.
He lacks so much basic stuff about playing football it'll be impossible to improve all these by just aging.
New Anelka. Tons of talent but average attitude.
Still believe in him. He just needs solid competition to perform / up his level. Like when Rashford and Martial competed for the left wing under Mourinho.
Compared to his minutes vs assists / goals, his stats are actually good (10 g 4 a). It's just that he's only played about 16 matches in Premier League (combined minutes)
Compared to his minutes vs assists / goals, his stats are actually good (10 g 4 a). It's just that he's only played about 16 matches in Premier League (combined minutes)
We should sell Martial. For example to PSG, who wants more French players. We actually might be able to get something for him and we could use those funds to buy a more specialised player that suits our style. I don't think Martial will ever be world class. He always runs at the nearest defender and fails his dribbles 9/10 times. His determination when finishing is mediocre and he never crosses the ball. First touches are lacking, his movement isn't good enough and work rate is sub par. Martial's first season was amazing, but I've never been sold on him and probably never will.
He's too content with waiting for the ball to be played to his feet. It's not just his drive, so to speak, but it's the things he does, or rather doesn't do, that's the issue.
He doesn't make any off-ball runs that provoke any kind of through-balls or lofted balls to him. (See Sterling for the opposite of this). Martial is excellent in front of goal, so can someone tell me why he isn't making the kind of runs that make best use of that? When you have Pogba behind you, who btw can spot and pick any pass, you know you're not doing it right if even he can't find you.
He always wants the ball at his feet with a one-on-one opportunity to go at his full-back. Unless you are playing for Man City, this isn't going to happen a lot at United. Tactical passengers are no good for us. We need as much movement off the ball as on it.
He's very sloppy with his passing and general play. Too hard, too soft, wrong pass angle, wrong passing option. Even on his best days there's a problem with his passing consistency. He's superbly talented, and yet he never plays to a standard that is befitting of that talent, and therefore, presents a problem for a team trying to compete for honours.
He doesn't make any off-ball runs that provoke any kind of through-balls or lofted balls to him. (See Sterling for the opposite of this). Martial is excellent in front of goal, so can someone tell me why he isn't making the kind of runs that make best use of that? When you have Pogba behind you, who btw can spot and pick any pass, you know you're not doing it right if even he can't find you.
He always wants the ball at his feet with a one-on-one opportunity to go at his full-back. Unless you are playing for Man City, this isn't going to happen a lot at United. Tactical passengers are no good for us. We need as much movement off the ball as on it.
He's very sloppy with his passing and general play. Too hard, too soft, wrong pass angle, wrong passing option. Even on his best days there's a problem with his passing consistency. He's superbly talented, and yet he never plays to a standard that is befitting of that talent, and therefore, presents a problem for a team trying to compete for honours.
If anyone can point me to his amazing dribbling I'll be thankful.
He’s better than David Bellion and Gabriel Obertan.
And Bebe.
Mebe
my exact thoughts.
I have gone through the entire Rashford thread today but too lazy to go through this one.
Just wondering if someone has claimed that the bulk of criticism of him stems from the fact that he is black and French? As that was claimed regarding Rashford.
Just wondering if someone has claimed that the bulk of criticism of him stems from the fact that he is black and French? As that was claimed regarding Rashford.
I said it in the matchday thread but we've become too reliant on too many inconsistent players. Martial is great on his day but probably the most inconsistent of the the lot.
Nani was inconsistent too but he played alongside players who always gave good performances - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo.
Nani was inconsistent too but he played alongside players who always gave good performances - Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo.
They didn't always give good performances. All of them had off days. What was great about United then was that we (usually) played well as a team and when one great player was a bit off, another was on. Hypothetically, if we could put Martial in that team instead of Tevez, he'd be fantastic.
That's not to say he just needs better players. The whole team needs better players. And the whole team needs to play better even when we DON'T have better players. But Martial is talented enough for us, and would probably blossom at another team that has better coaching and style. I want to see how he does in a season under Solskjaer, playing consistently where he's best.
Neres at Ajax and Mohamed elyanossu(he ran city rugged) are much better players and would earn less.
Until they get here. I'm not taking any player's form at other club as a barometer of how they would perform here. There's gotta be something in the water in Manchester for players to suddenly look like a shell of themselves.
Good,bad,average and dissapointing.
This is one time i will lay the blame solely at Jose though.
I blame him for his bullshit where he was playing him,dtopping him,playing Rashford instead in his position and all the other feckry.
Hes stalled his development.
This is one time i will lay the blame solely at Jose though.
I blame him for his bullshit where he was playing him,dtopping him,playing Rashford instead in his position and all the other feckry.
Hes stalled his development.
Of all the things to blame Mourinho for you're choosing to blame him for playing one young player over another?
shite today, east worse everytime i see him.
It's been very hit and miss, no doubt. He has the talent, he just can't find any consistency it seems and for me personally it's a bit disappointing that he isn't adding anything to his game. It has stayed very much focused on trying to dribble past an opponent.
Odd claim when he actually recorded a good goals/assist ratio under Jose. The big frustration was he wasn't getting enough minutes and it was assumed he was being restricted which seems to not have been the case
I find this whole thread totally overblown considering we're talking about someone who turned 23 a few months ago having his best goal scoring season ever in a season which has been evidently difficult for all involved.
His Man United career so far? 6/10 from me. There's a great player in there, I still want to see him upfront for a spell.