simplyared
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I'd move him central and give him a run as our main striker. James deserves the RW spot.
I agree. I think if they keep playing Greenwood at RW they will destroy him.I'd move him central and give him a run as our main striker. James deserves the RW spot.
He's 19, forced to play a role as a winger. It's so easy to dismiss him, but positions and roles matter, ask Henry. He clearly has the skillset of a generational striker, but playing him on the flank is equivalent to playing Kane there.Maybe let’s just face it, he is talented youngster but was massively overhyped last season, he isn’t the generational talent we thought he was, but he has some potential.
He's not getting chances to shoot from generally expected shooting positions, has nothing to do with finishing. He's not a winger, so unlike last season, he's struggling to create those scoring chances from out wide.I figure he might be lacking in confidence and have second season syndrome. Thing is, none of our attackers can hit the target, I'm beginning to wonder if what we're doing in training isn't working.
Teenager played out of position and who scored a lot of goals last season. You can see the obvious ability he has, he just needs to be played as a 9.Maybe let’s just face it, he is talented youngster but was massively overhyped last season, he isn’t the generational talent we thought he was, but he has some potential.
He's not great at heading according to Ole https://www.skysports.com/football/...s-forward-to-improve-heading-to-become-a-no-9Teenager played out of position and who scored a lot of goals last season. You can see the obvious ability he has, he just needs to be played as a 9.
Mason (and all our strikers) need an attacking system - you can’t just play young players and expect them to improve on their own - just take a moment to think how good he could be. Genuinely two footed, fast, powerful, excellent finisher, decent dribbler...on paper there’s no reason he shouldn’t be nipping at Haaland’s coattails. He could play off the shoulder, drop deep and if he can work on his heading (I honestly couldn’t tell you if he was good aerially or not) I struggle to see much of a weakness in his all round game.
Hopefully he's been practising all season..."For him to be a No 9, though, he needs to learn how to head the ball. I keep telling him that and, if he wants to do that, he's welcome to come and practice with me."
Agree, his not a winger and struggles a bit.He's not getting chances to shoot from generally expected shooting positions, has nothing to do with finishing. He's not a winger, so unlike last season, he's struggling to create those scoring chances from out wide.
I don't even think he needs to be excellent at heading to have a good career - you only need to look at players like Aguero or Henry to see that - he has all the raw attributes and I hope we are actually trying to mould his game and not simply assuming that game time = improvement.He's not great at heading according to Ole https://www.skysports.com/football/...s-forward-to-improve-heading-to-become-a-no-9
Hopefully he's been practising all season...
I think a big part of his lack of goals this season is that defenders are now double/triple marking him because everyone knows he can score from anywhere if you give him space. So he needs to adapt, but also needs help from our other forwards to move more and occupy defenders more.
I don’t recall he has any impressive performance when we play him at CF position though, as we’ve already tried him several times this season and previous.He's 19, forced to play a role as a winger. It's so easy to dismiss him, but positions and roles matter, ask Henry. He clearly has the skillset of a generational striker, but playing him on the flank is equivalent to playing Kane there.
I think he's looked his sharpest since then recently though. I think when he nets one of these chances, he'll kick on.Still believe in this kid, look like he struggled for confidence following the issues on England duty.....
He however needs to be played centrally.
He's 19 in a league with the most physical strikers. In the youth team he was a clear no.9. Ole has barely used him as a 9 due to the physicality of the lone striker role, and unlike previous generations there is no support striker to help him out. So Ole has barely given him the no.9 role in the first team until recently. This means he hasn't had the chance to adapt his positioning and movement. In saying that, I do believe playing out wide has improved his overall game. He has good dribbling ability, good touches, composure and generally makes the right play. He is more ready now due to the wing experience than he was a year ago.I don’t recall he has any impressive performance when we play him at CF position though, as we’ve already tried him several times this season and previous.
RVPs was a striker way earlier in a 2 man striking system, only difference is that he was a support striker, which I actually believe is a role Greenwood would be playing if we were playing 442.He's been non-existent when he's played as a forward for us. He doesn't have the presence at the moment.
RVP, who Mason gets compared to quite frequently, only became a striker when he was 25/26.
I certainly agree but as we play with a front 3 fans tend to want Mason to be the main central figure, which I just dont think he's ready for in this set-up.RVPs was a striker way earlier in a 2 man striking system, only difference is that he was a support striker, which I actually believe is a role Greenwood would be playing if we were playing 442.
Good point.I'd give Ole the benefit of doubt when it comes to forwards as he was the first to see that Rashford is better on the left and Martial through the middle last season but I don't understand the configuration with Rashford on the left when Martial is out and Greenwood playing centrally with James on the right. That feels like two players playing on less than optimal roles to me. James feels a lot more natural attacking from the left, Greenwood is much more comfortable on the right and Rashford is much more suited to play #9 of the three.
I don't think he has anything he didn't already have. When is the last time a great No 9 was formed by playing on the wings?He's 19 in a league with the most physical strikers. In the youth team he was a clear no.9. Ole has barely used him as a 9 due to the physicality of the lone striker role, and unlike previous generations there is no support striker to help him out. So Ole has barely given him the no.9 role in the first team until recently. This means he hasn't had the chance to adapt his positioning and movement. In saying that, I do believe playing out wide has improved his overall game. He has good dribbling ability, good touches, composure and generally makes the right play. He is more ready now due to the wing experience than he was a year ago.
So a 532?It's this ridiculous mentality of playing with wingers. We should play two up front. Cavani and Mason. That gives us enough attacking options with three midfield players behind them and two full backs playing wide. I also don't understand what the coaching staff does. We don't see it on the match day for sure. As soon as Mason gets the ball, he tries his stepovers and the extra defender gets the time to come and cover him.
Cavani is one of the best movers in the game. Use him for creating space and also to score goals.
Agree. He is 19 and developing and it is normal for now. This thread is by and large toxic. He may kick on or he may not but at this moment in time its stupid to be critical aside from if he looks not to give a shit.I actually think he's performing well, just his shots aren't hitting the back of the net. Most involved of all our attackers (not saying much) and it's more down to the team being poor at the moment than him suddenly turning to shit.
He should have a break over the summer as I don't see him making the England squad, and I hope he comes back refreshed and ready to go next year when a lot of players won't have had a break.
No a diamond. I should have said that a DM holds the centre with either the MF drop into space when required. When the balls are on the flanks, we should not vacate space in the middle by the DM going to the side unless he gets another DM to slot into that space.So a 532?
I wanted a diamond myself for a long time as it gives us depth in most positions, but it never seems to perform as well as you'd expect. To be fair we don't have the DM for it and AWB would have to accelerate his offensive development.No a diamond. I should have said that a DM holds the centre with either the MF drop into space when required. When the balls are on the flanks, we should not vacate space in the middle by the DM going to the side unless he gets another DM to slot into that space.
I know it's a different topic but I really don't understand why we try to play out from the back of our midfield needs to drop into our box to collect the ball? Isn't the whole purpose of this is to have more players free to receive the ball? If Matic or whoever is in midfield drops into our own box, then it makes one player less to receive the ball. One space less for the opposition to mark.
Needs to bulk up?He's been non-existent when he's played as a forward for us. He doesn't have the presence at the moment.
I think in most games Matic can play as a DM if we have DVB, Pogba, Bruno in the diamond. A problem I always see at United is the positional play. Example. When AWB has the ball on the right in our half or at the centre line, he has two options at the most. That is either he plays down the line to Greenwood or he plays back to Lindelof. Now our midfield player playing on the right should come short to give him an option. That vacates the inside right space for us. Our CF has to move into that space while our Left winger moves into centre and left back moves forward. This never happens. Look at our next game. So it is never the right space at the right time for us.I wanted a diamond myself for a long time as it gives us depth in most positions, but it never seems to perform as well as you'd expect. To be fair we don't have the DM for it and AWB would have to accelerate his offensive development.
It is a bit weird isn't it, the inability to understand mean value. Feeds into the stupidity of the board and their transfer dealings.This place is horrific at having patience with young players. Frankly half of these posters don't deserve a talent like Greenwood at the club.
Problem is, we are not good enough to send Greenwood out on loan. Let's be honest about this, we've spent millions of pounds, but I really believe that even now, if Greenwood is able to engineer space for himself to shoot from, O genuinely believe he'd be more effective, maybe even a better player, than any of our other attackers. That shouldn't be the case, but it is.I don't think he has anything he didn't already have. When is the last time a great No 9 was formed by playing on the wings?
I'm willing to be convinced but i think it's hampering more players than it makes. People are expecting Greenwood in random inconsistent games up front to suddenly have the presence and rhythm of a no 9 when he just isn't used to it.
Is it better for him to play out on the wing rather than not at all? Definitely but i still think I'd rather he went out on loan to play a full season up front.