But the point is we don't know if any rape took place. The club statement where they mentioned the full audio clip which hasn't been released to the public, the audio clip which he is being judged for, doesn't give definitive proof one way or the other.
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Surely the club will be consulting the women's team then if they are entertaining a bid from Qatar regarding new ownership
Yeah this is also possible. A loan gives them the chance to weigh up his ability against the backlash.
I mean the people putting this down to pC gOnE mAd. It's so cringeworthy to read that drivel.Sorry, what?
Because it's not about innocent or guilty -it's about expediency. People can be mobilized into frenzies which aren't powerful to alter things like government policy for the better or even to get the Glazers out of the club, but are enough to cause 'branding' issues that affect 'partnership' relationships, particularly when people want to demonstrate they're upright and virtuous and social media offers a frictionless way of doing so. Interest groups and rival fans will also latch onto this. What's 'true' in terms of being verifiable and a justifiable statement to make, what's principled or responsible or even what corresponds to justice under the law has nothing to do with it. You'll be very validated for making libellous statements about someone cleared by the law - it's virtually no cost.
The lead Glazers would make a resurrected Jimmy Saville youth-team manager if it made them enough money and they could also secure a lock-tight guarantee there'd be no legal repercussions or outcry following it. There isn't a shred of morality or idea of the public good' associated with these people. Look at how they treat the fans, the cynicism even by the standards of the club as corporate machine in today's environment, as well as the causes they support outside of football. We can never expect anything 'good' to come from them, except by accident or through employees 'lower' in the chain, like sporting management, performing well in their own roles despite the leadership, or taking stands where these are actually merited....
I doubt that.
If she'd falsified evidence there's no way he carries on his relationship with her. She'd have destroyed his life. How do you just move past that.
If the evidence was faked there's no way Mason's parents would have kept that quiet. Can any man here imagine their mum's reaction if a girlfriend faked these things. Mine would be on every media outlet available making clear the images/recordings were fake.
It's probably exactly what it looks like. Exactly the type of thing we've seen many times before. Nothing new here.
Footballer behaves badly. Footballer is forgiven because he's loaded.
I'm not judging the girl or her family. Glad the club have let him go. But this is hardly a new thing.
Many of them want Qatar in. Complete hypocrisy.
Are you saying that Greenwood raped or abused the girl? Just as there is no clear evidence that Greenwood is innocent, there is also no clear evidence that he did anything criminal. While the contents of the audio recording may have been morally wrong, they did not constitute any crime in the legal sense. There is simply not enough context to make any solid informed opinion on the published photos.
Whatever happened, the woman stayed with Greenwood, has a baby with him and they are about to get married. Ironically, by kicking Greenwood out the alleged victim is directly impacted by such decision as her and her baby’s future wellbeing are, at least, threatened.
Everyone can have their own opinion on this matter but let’s not pretend that the club’s decision is good for the alleged victim in any way. The club’s decision is purely directed by the reaction of certain portion of the fanbase. I’m all for protecting women’s rights and upholding certain values but not at the cost of due legal process. There is a reason why courts and CPS, not the general public, are responsible for prosecuting individuals. Sadly, the mob justice prevailed in this situation.
They very rarely convict any rapists. Fewer than 1%.
Turkey was rumored to be a destination months ago...
https://turkish-football.com/man-un...eenwood-receives-transfer-offers-from-turkey/
Why do you say that? Are you implying that she is not safe with Mason?
For this reason I've no objections to him staying in England. I don't give a feck where he goes as long as it works out for them as a family.
Ultimately, best case, he let himself his family and the club down. The best thing to do is move on and fresh start.
2 biggest hopes before 2024. No more greenwood talk. No more takeover talk.
Two different issues. If Qatar are pumping money into the womens side of Utd as well, why would they?
Evil? Vindictive? Revenge? Immature? Not understanding or caring what Damage it would cause? Should I continue?
You really are oblivious aren't you some people have no morale compass or conscience, wake up.
Therein lies the issue. Millions of people arguing both sides of an event based on nothing much, cue keep digging for further info, cue interpreting anything that ever happens hereafter to fit your corner's narrative...
It's pretty obvious both the club and Greenwood are best served moving on.
Which would indicate that some potentially problematic developments are already in place. As I said - the state is the one equipped and tasked to deal with wrongdoings. Not individuals, certainly not employers. I agree with you though, many corporates would probably go the easy way.
I think we all know that Johnny Depp is a little different that Mason Greenwood.
I highly doubt they were faked.
Logically you don't but some people and some relationships are complicated to the point they make no sense.
Wow. Cancel culture...really? Some take that.
I;'d have to have a statistic back that up. But like it or not, the crime is hard to prove without dna evidence that is usually very easy to lose.
MU statement
"Based on the evidence available to us, we have concluded that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that Mason did not commit the offences in respect of which he was originally charged."
Richard Arnolds letter
"While we were unable to access certain evidence for reasons we respect, the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with. I am restricted as to what I can say for legal reasons, including the alleged victim's ongoing right to anonymity, but I am able to share the following with you which should give you some insight into the complexity of this case.
• The alleged victim requested the police to drop their investigation in April 2022.
• We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online.
• The alleged victim's family participated in the process and were given the opportunity to review and correct our factual findings."
"While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason’s accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for."
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I second your view Ricardo de la Vega!
Some of the comments on this board, and many other social media platforms, is in some cases astonishing. I don't want to defend or accuse anyone involved in this saga but the outcome is horrible.
I feel deeply for the girlfriend! Whatever the truth was her life is forever tarnished.
I feel deeply for the baby!
I have sympathy for Mason. Guilty or not but to be hounded by a blood thirsty mob on social media is in my mind similar to the witch hunts who happened 400 years ago.
The sadest part is that I'm disapointed being a United supporter. Our club is a mess.
Is anybody satisfied with today's outcome?
No he did not.
I’m happy you’re setting an example though, I’m certain we’re not going to find any Giggs, Ronaldo or Best memorabilia in your household. Well done.
And Amber heard is different to ******* too... it's just drawing a parallel into high profile abuse situations.
Was it the police or CPS.
Indeed, Johnny Deep being an innocent makes this kinda silly to compare.
This post is an absolute vile piece of scum.
One of the reasons Niall has made this topic a no-go is because of libel and legal action mate.
You’re stating things that are completely out of line.
The guy was never even charged with some of the stuff you’ve stated there.
Point 2 is spot on. Now the United side is dealt with they can focus on the ‘bigger than football’ side of things & really get to work.
They won’t be forced to be, our fanbase generally wasn’t until The Athletic led the narrative last week.
In his short career he’s been sent home by England and booted out of United
Could have been a great but sabotaged himself really. Hope he gets help and sorts his head for himself and his up coming family.
Could have been a great but sabotaged himself really. Hope he gets help and sorts his head for himself and his up coming family.
Yeah on one hand the outrage directed towards him is completely understandable and on the other I can't help but feel he may have deserved a second chance.
I suppose we just have to move on now.
Great to hear this absolute cretin will never again appear for United.
Hopefully all Glazers, Qatar and Ineos do one, also.
Hopefully all Glazers, Qatar and Ineos do one, also.
Club bottled it.
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I’m not no - but I’d imagine everyone who thinks he’s definitely guilty must feel that way.
Yet, he took her back!
He must be a saint to forgive a girl who is evil / vindictive / revengeful / immature.
Or maybe he wanted to play happy families in an attempt to save his United career.